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post #8092 of 8509 (permalink) Old 09-28-2019, 06:29 PM
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This is a great example of the sillyness of label politics coming to Australia.

Labelling "left Wing Media" means you don't have to challenge your own views. For the record the ABC time and time again is voted the most trusted news organisation in Australia. Which is why it is the target of partisan news outlets with an agenda. And then you go on to quote a clearly partisan news source as if it is impartial. It is just the vested opinions of businesses trying to tell everyone they have the answers that are trying to tear it down.

I agree Trump impeachment won't be successful, but only simpletons think that is the aim. Not unlike the agenda against Clinton leading up to the last election.
People don't see the ideas and issues being used are nothing but a foil to drive a wedge into groups so that they can shore up a power base for themselves. Personally I think anyone who identifies with left or right specifically is a lemming and falling for these cheap tricks. Much like immigration in Australia has been used by both parties to solidify a voter base despite facts to the contrary.

For the record Sky News and the ABC are on all day in my office and then one who spends the most time on politically motivated opinion pieces is clearly Sky News.

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These last 2 posts have summed this whole thing up perfectly.

Only simpletons believe that there is even the slightest chance of Trump actually being impeached!


In Australia if you believed the left wing media like ABC news, Guardian and the like, you would be convinced that Trump will be out of office before Christmas.

If you watch Sky news, you would have it explained to you that the Democrats don't have the numbers to even get this process started properly and that this is just a big smoke screen for their piss poor performance in opposition. Much like the Labour party's efforts in Australia.

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This is a great example of the sillyness of label politics coming to Australia.

Labelling "left Wing Media" means you don't have to challenge your own views. For the record the ABC time and time again is voted the most trusted news organisation in Australia. Which is why it is the target of partisan news outlets with an agenda. And then you go on to quote a clearly partisan news source as if it is impartial. It is just the vested opinions of businesses trying to tell everyone they have the answers that are trying to tear it down.

I agree Trump impeachment won't be successful, but only simpletons think that is the aim. Not unlike the agenda against Clinton leading up to the last election.
People don't see the ideas and issues being used are nothing but a foil to drive a wedge into groups so that they can shore up a power base for themselves. Personally I think anyone who identifies with left or right specifically is a lemming and falling for these cheap tricks. Much like immigration in Australia has been used by both parties to solidify a voter base despite facts to the contrary.

For the record Sky News and the ABC are on all day in my office and then one who spends the most time on politically motivated opinion pieces is clearly Sky News.

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Hi Glen,

like you I also get my news from both the ABC and SKY News, because I also like to see both sides of a story.

I would never for one minute attempt to argue or infer that Sky News is impartial or not right wing, nor should they have to be. They are a privately owned organisation who is not bound by any rules.

Unlike the ABC, who is a publicly funded organisation who at the very heart of their charter is the requirement to be politically impartial.

If you go to this site https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/leftcenter/ , you will find the ABC News is now listed as left center.
This was been changed about six to eight months ago, prior to that they had been listed as centre.
I don't know who the website belongs to, but they do seem to list most news sites that I know of in manner that I would agree with.

I have spoken to various people recently (very few academic types, mostly tradies, farmers, shop owners, employees of private business and also government organisations) and have found the phrase " the ABC is getting more left wing every day " to be the most commonly used.
This does not mean that the ABC has gotten even close to the left wing madness that is The Guardian, but it does indicate to me they are losing some of their long held credibility.

I agree that the aim of the attempted impeachment is to possibly gain more Senate seats in the near future, and that was the point of my post.

Sky has repeatedly stated this from most of their hosts. IE Jones, Murray etc
ABC on the other hand reports it as if it is a foregone conclusion, that it is as easy as just get the process started and Trump will be gone.
An impartial report would also focus on the current numbers in the Senate and the likelihood of an impeachment succeeding.

Lets not even go into the make up of the panels on The Drum, Q and A and Insiders.
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Q and A makes me lose my shit! Not unlike that Triple J segment "Hack" hosted by Tom Tilley. Clearly biased.

The question is, is the ABC more left or is the right more right? But I don't think it matters. Read each story on its merits and make a reasoned assessment rather than dismissing it with unfounded claims or facts and expecting fact from the other side. Not to say you do either of those, just a general opinion. I have an eclectic group of acquaintances. I work with some very conservative people who say "'prove it", when I do they choose to not read it, accept it or put a label on it. I have some very socialist acquaintances who I swear live on another planet. It is the people in the middle who have to put up with the silliness from both sides while they struggle for power. Both sides ignore facts that do not suit them.

Ultimately the middle class will suffer here as a result of the stupid power grabs much like the US and UK.

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Hi Glen,

like you I also get my news from both the ABC and SKY News, because I also like to see both sides of a story.

I would never for one minute attempt to argue or infer that Sky News is impartial or not right wing, nor should they have to be. They are a privately owned organisation who is not bound by any rules.

Unlike the ABC, who is a publicly funded organisation who at the very heart of their charter is the requirement to be politically impartial.

If you go to this site https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/leftcenter/ , you will find the ABC News is now listed as left center.
This was been changed about six to eight months ago, prior to that they had been listed as centre.
I don't know who the website belongs to, but they do seem to list most news sites that I know of in manner that I would agree with.

I have spoken to various people recently (very few academic types, mostly tradies, farmers, shop owners, employees of private business and also government organisations) and have found the phrase " the ABC is getting more left wing every day " to be the most commonly used.
This does not mean that the ABC has gotten even close to the left wing madness that is The Guardian, but it does indicate to me they are losing some of their long held credibility.

I agree that the aim of the attempted impeachment is to possibly gain more Senate seats in the near future, and that was the point of my post.

Sky has repeatedly stated this from most of their hosts. IE Jones, Murray etc
ABC on the other hand reports it as if it is a foregone conclusion, that it is as easy as just get the process started and Trump will be gone.
An impartial report would also focus on the current numbers in the Senate and the likelihood of an impeachment succeeding.

Lets not even go into the make up of the panels on The Drum, Q and A and Insiders.
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You do not need to be a scientist to see that this "Nasa admits" story is pure misinfomation and "Fake News" -- The eccentricity of the Earths orbit around the sun is something that changes EVERY Year .. The eccentricity is a measly 0.07 -- Meaning a 5 million kilometer difference in the mean Sun-Earth Distance of 148 million km -- No known variation in the suns intensity measured so far can explain the global warming trend (Which can be MEASURED -- and is measured!!) The ONLY mechanism capable of generating this MEASURED change in global mean temperature is the rise in Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere -- another quantity that can be MEASURED -- You can even do it yourself -- just go and buy a Draeger Polytron Gas detector, set it up and let your PC track the amount of CO2 ----- And while you are at it, set up your own thermometer and record the mean yearly temperature for the next 10 years and take a look at the data .. If you can change the oil and charge the battery on your MV, this level of "Science" should be well within your reach --

If you can NOT see this- Then you are either dumb as a doornail or in some sort of denial .. pick your disease ..

And still we are not adressing the 3 very large Elephants in the room ... 1: Population growth - leading to overpopulation -- VERY politically incorrect to address this - 2: Why the f..k not gear up on using Atomic Energy -- It does not generate CO2 - and could solve the wind and solar power "Gap" - and finally 3: The fact that we still believe the fairy-tale of never-ending Economic Growth as the only way of improving the conditions for humans on this planet.

"The Human race expands to new areas, consuming all the available resources, then moves on to other places, constantly multiplying and using up more resources, until there is nothing left, and once again is forced to move on or die out -- Tell me, what other organism has these traits? I will tell you -- A VIRUS! This is what "humanity" is -- and for that you need a cure -- WE are the cure --
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excellent link, would like to read more on this.
The sun isn't responsible for the acidification of the oceans and the rise of CO2s, humans are, its man made. The sum has massive effects on the earth tho, sun flares etc as does Elnino weather patterns. But what we are seeing is a gradual rise in temperatures, mimicking the burning of fossil fuels. Correlation is there.
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