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Executive Summary / Life cycle of this thread:
1) Thread created to centralize discussion of GP&R in 2013
2) Forum members generally civil until 2016 election nears
3) Certain Forum members use site prior to election to post personal political philosophies to impress others and/or try to convince others they are right
4) Forum members fail in item #3
5) 2016 US election result surprising and upsetting to many, triggering TDS, thus exacerbating the activity of item #3, leading to item #4
6) New forum members join forum and find GP&R thread
7) Certain new forum members display predictable and unimpressive low-level troll characteristics, but fail in item #3, leading to item #4
8) Certain new forum members settle to ad hominem* attacks of item #3, leading to item #4
9) As 2020 election approaches, rinse and repeat items #3-8

*Paul Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement lists ad hominem as the second lowest type of argument in a disagreement.

Ad hominem (Latin for "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.
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One of the more notable things about the individuals on this thread who seem to espouse conservative views is that they never apply the rules or maxims that they like to quote to their own conduct. Unable to support a decent argument, simply beause their positions lack substance, resentful of undertanding & amateur enough to offer opinions about politics when they do not even know the basic principles of how government works, off they drift into obtuse tangents, shielded by their hiprocisy and ignorance. Dullards.
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post #7562 of 8509 (permalink) Old 04-11-2019, 08:43 PM
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A man here has just been arrested out side a Mosque yelling obscenities, and guess what, he was wearing a TRUMP tee shirt. Yes it read TRUMP for New Zealand. This bigot of a leader the US has, well his racist anti muslim words have far reaching consequences amongst his white supremacist supporters around the world. Thank goodness, one more reading in parliament and the new gun laws will take effect. Hopefully never again will a white supremacist see NZ as an easy target to get weapons they drool over and commit mass murder. (more than 300 voluntary guns handed in so far) Freedom not fear.
There is only way to describe the cold-blooded massacre of 49 Muslims in New Zealand. It is evil. Fiendishly evil. No condemnation of this heinous, cowardly act can be too strong.

These were Muslim worshipers who were mowed down while performing their Friday prayers in their mosques.

They were not military combatants.

They were not terrorists.

But they were Muslims.

They were foreigners.

Therefore, reasoned their killer, they must be eliminated.

And from what we understand, the shooter was a right-wing extremist, a white supremacist.

But this is where we must not overreact.

This was not the crime of all white people.

This was not the crime of conservatives in general.

This was not the crime of Donald Trump or his supporters.

This was the crime of a sick, demented, evil individual, a man who apparently felt solidarity with others of like mind.

But he is not part of a worldwide, organized, anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant conspiracy.

Put another way, if a conservative America thinks we need better border security, that does not make him a partner in this heinous act.

Or if a conservative Swede thinks that Muslims need to become more incorporated into the larger society, that does not mean he wishes for their death, or, God forbid, would try to kill them.

My point is that our response must be reasonable.

We unequivocally condemn this evil act. And we unequivocally condemn the ideology behind it.

There is no possible justification or rationale or excuse that can support this despicable massacre. End of subject.

But let’s not use the blood of these Muslims to score political points. That is, quite frankly, obscene.

In fact, we could honestly ask whether there is real concern for the Muslim victims, including the wounded and the families of the slain, or whether there is a desire to make this about politics.

To explain, according to one website, from February 13 to March 15 of this year, there have been roughly 150 terrorist attacks carried out by Muslims worldwide, many of them against fellow Muslims. An example would be the attack by Sunni Muslims on a political gathering of Shiite Muslims in Kabul, Afghanistan, killing 11 and wounding 90.

Why no outcry over this? Or did we even hear about it in the West?

Without a doubt, it is bigger news for a mass slaughter to take place in two mosques in otherwise peaceful New Zealand. As has been widely reported, more people were killed in this massacre than are murdered in an entire year in New Zealand.

And the fact that the killer livestreamed the shooting gave it instant exposure and greater shock value.

But this is a brutal, tragic, horrific act, not a political football. Let us not use the blood of the slain to grease our personal agenda.

And let’s also remember that, worldwide, Christians, not Muslims, are the most persecuted religious group.

Just within the last few weeks in Nigeria, 32 Christians were killed in Maro and 46 Christians were killed in Anguwan Gamu, both times by Muslim terrorists. And in Shuwa, Nigeria, a girl [was] injured when two suicide bombers detonate[d] prematurely during an attempt to kill church-goers.”

And using very conservative figures, which do not include casualties in the midst of war, Open Doors estimates that 11 Christians are killed every day for their faith.

As for worldwide terror attacks, a 2016 study indicated that “450 of 452 suicide attacks in 2015 were by Muslim extremists.”

My point, again, is simple.

The horrific slaughter of these Muslims in Christchurch, New Zealand is despicable in every way, leaving in its trail an almost unimaginable amount of suffering and trauma.

That’s what should get our attention.

This is not about Islam in general. Or about immigration, per se. Or about conservative values. Or about Trump.

It is about the evil of a fanatical ideology.

It is about the murderous hatred of a racist, white supremacist.

That is more than enough.
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so I better not mention Trumpet anymore
Gidday. A favour? I think of trumpet as being either a slang word for a Triumph, another being trumpy, or a somethimes pleasant musical instrument. The tangerine narcissist is neither of those.
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They, Presidents, are all temporary with a max of 2 terms. Its the damage inflicted thats lasting. You only have to look back at Bush junior to see his legacy. Nixon another crooked one, but less overall damage.

It is much, much worse than that.


According to Noam Chomsky, every US president from Eisenhower to GW bush, every one of them, including the liberal darling JFK, is guilty of war crimes, I think he said under the standards of Nuremburg, which would be the geneva convention. This was pre- Obama, but he would definitely be a qualifier as well, and almost certainly Tawump, but ironically not yet as bad as anyone else.


The worse were of course Nixon, Reagan and bush jnr.


If the laws could be applied, and retrospectively, then most British PMs and an Australian PM or two would probably be guilty as well. That is how many of thw western democracies work. War & murder.
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MacRoy. No. Just no. You have no real data. Just no. Go now ... You have shown nothing. Offered nothing. Go. Just go. No, don't even think about it. Save yourself. Stop belittleing yourself. Go.
It is called context, Kevin. Struggle on. Read your own posts and apply them to yourselves. You have shown nothing. Offered nothing. Go. Just go. No, don't even think about it. Save yourself. Stop belittleing yourself. Go.


What is the diffrenence bewteen a democracy and a republic? Not one of the 'conservatives' who grace this thread knew. Dumb and dumber.
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This is probably as close to being correct as you ever have been. In fact the opposite is true, the corruption and incompotence of the repeilcans makes any alternative with a solution more realistic.
Her “realistic alternative” got voted down 57-0.

Speaking of corrupt, see Andrew’s post on previous page.

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It is called context, Kevin. Struggle on. Read your own posts and apply them to yourselves. You have shown nothing. Offered nothing. Go. Just go. No, don't even think about it. Save yourself. Stop belittleing yourself. Go.


What is the diffrenence bewteen a democracy and a republic? Not one of the 'conservatives' who grace this thread knew. Dumb and dumber.
You have no argument and no facts to back up your opinions. Just name calling and insults as usual. Pathetic.

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Her “realistic alternative” got voted down 57-0.

Speaking of corrupt, see Andrew’s post on previous page.
Yes, but I understand the context, there is a magical and strange word for you lot, on how and why. Politics. The money for wall also got voted down. Does it end there? Tick tick.
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You have no argument and no facts to back up your opinions. Just name calling and insults as usual. Pathetic.
Are you suggesting that memory loss is why you know nyet about how government works, or that my pointing that fact out to you is insulting, beause it reminds you that you know fuck all about the subjects you presume to offer opinions on?
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Are you suggesting that memory loss is why you know nyet about how government works, or that my pointing that fact out to you is insulting, beause it reminds you that you know fuck all about the subjects you presume to offer opinions on?
Pot meet kettle.
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