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post #431 of 473 (permalink) Old 11-06-2019, 04:28 PM
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My question is, how the Lib Dems and remainers in general believe they can reverse Brexit now?

After all that happened, considering all the qualitative characteristics and particularities surrounding Brexit?How can one ignore such strong feelings of a large portion of UK population about such an important subject?
How is it viable for the UK to immediately return and function within the EU framework after all that happened?


No matter how much one dislikes Brexit, reversal would be catastrophic for both the UK and the EU.
From what I understand most EU politicians in position and power realize now that it is too late. That it would be a big mistake to accept the UK back (immediately). But there are still individuals(forces?) that think along the lines of "any small win is still a win for the EU project".


In my opinion in order for Brexit to be given any chance of making any sense, UK needs to get out completely! Otherwise it will be farcical!

At this point, I find the role played by political opposition in the UK obnoxious. Disgusting!
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So now its going to get even more interesting. Boris Johnson's party group posted a flagrantly fraudulent video portraying the labor leader as unable to answer a question through editing after he already answered teh question and now there is a Russian investigation that "supposedly" supports the fact that Russia didn't meddle in the vote or the election but, for some reason, Boris doesn't want to release it until after the election. That seems fishy as hell.

Is boris another useful idiot like trump?
That video was a disgrace, if Tories are going down this route, to fight the election with the focus on negatively portraying opposition parties rather that positively portraying their own, I hate to say they will doom their election campaign. Itíll be the same as thr one that failed so dismally in Ď97.

Keir Starmer (Shadow Brexit Secretary not Labour leader btw) is a fine politician imho, he should be running the Labour party, how he can sit next to the socialist prick leader Jeremy Corbyn is beyond me and itís a travesty that they can even be uttered in the same sentence. He actually did extremely well in that interview and is as honest a politician as you could hope to find. I like him and he carries well the diplomatic statesmanlike mantel of a politician that one could be proud of.

Tories would do better getting their own house in order and focussing on what positives they would bring rather than trying to cheaply trash the opposition. They best learn fast if they want to be successful.
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That video was a disgrace, if Tories are going down this route, to fight the election with the focus on negatively portraying opposition parties rather that positively portraying their own, I hate to say they will doom their election campaign. Itíll be the same as thr one that failed so dismally in Ď97.

Keir Starmer (Shadow Brexit Secretary not Labour leader btw) is a fine politician imho, he should be running the Labour party, how he can sit next to the socialist prick leader Jeremy Corbyn is beyond me and itís a travesty that they can even be uttered in the same sentence. He actually did extremely well in that interview and is as honest a politician as you could hope to find. I like him and he carries well the diplomatic statesmanlike mantel of a politician that one could be proud of.

Tories would do better getting their own house in order and focussing on what positives they would bring rather than trying to cheaply trash the opposition. They best learn fast if they want to be successful.

Corbyn i'm 50/50 on, however he appears to be attached to that utter fucking lunatic Diane Abbot and whilst she still somehow clings on to a position that could do any real damage to the country he's severly damaging his card.


She is a 24carat gold, four funnel ocean going nut job. My dogs tail has more understanding of the world at large than she does, christ on a bike she's mental.
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She is a 24carat gold, four funnel ocean going nut job. My dogs tail has more understanding of the world at large than she does, christ on a bike she's mental.
Brilliant - spat my coffee out reading that


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Brilliant - spat my coffee out reading that

Alas i can't take full credit for that phrase, i've stolen the back bone of it from a friend who says it with much a more stylish and far posher accent with just that tiniest of elements of being not only very dsimisive but slightly sinister with it.


It normally starts with 'You sir can only be described as........' before insults are delivered. It's a thing of beauty to watch.
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A little info on the demographics of brexit:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/07/brex...-play-out.html

I think it fares better for the sake of the nation than our demographics for those who voted for trump. Yours leans heavily to the older and less educated, which is usually to be expected when being protectionist. In our case too many wealthy, educated people still voted like morons.
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And again we have the minority of community who won't accept the result of the 2014 Scottish independence referendum.
Not really Nigel, things change.

The main reason many Scots chose to remain part of the UK in 2014 was so that they could remain "part of the EU"
Westminster parliament plastered all over the media that if Scotland became Independent they would be forced out of the EU and so had to vote to remain.

and now; the UK is forcing Scotland against the will of the Scottish people out of the EU

So it is fairly obvious why many in Scotland is shouting for another Independence referendum, perhaps this time they will get it right.

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That video was a disgrace, if Tories are going down this route, to fight the election with the focus on negatively portraying opposition parties rather that positively portraying their own, I hate to say they will doom their election campaign. Itíll be the same as thr one that failed so dismally in Ď97.
Keir Starmer (Shadow Brexit Secretary not Labour leader btw) is a fine politician imho, he should be running the Labour party, how he can sit next to the socialist prick leader Jeremy Corbyn is beyond me and itís a travesty that they can even be uttered in the same sentence. He actually did extremely well in that interview and is as honest a politician as you could hope to find. I like him and he carries well the diplomatic statesmanlike mantel of a politician that one could be proud of.
Tories would do better getting their own house in order and focussing on what positives they would bring rather than trying to cheaply trash the opposition. They best learn fast if they want to be successful.
The story in the link below may have something to do with the attitude you refer to. It seems that politics in Australia is slowly going the way of the US, cults of personality, hatefulness and no policy as policy.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-...mplex/11682116
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Corbyn i'm 50/50 on, however he appears to be attached to that utter fucking lunatic Diane Abbot and whilst she still somehow clings on to a position that could do any real damage to the country he's severly damaging his card. She is a 24carat gold, four funnel ocean going nut job. My dogs tail has more understanding of the world at large than she does, christ on a bike she's mental.
While this was funny, you may need to explain for your non Brit readers. From what I just read about this woman she seems fairly sensible?
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The story in the link below may have something to do with the attitude you refer to. It seems that politics in Australia is slowly going the way of the US, cults of personality, hatefulness and no policy as policy.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-...mplex/11682116
Its pretty much where everywhere is going now that the populations of developed nations is aging. Old people dont like change, certainly dont like being told they are wrong by the "millennials" and a lot of the semi/unskilled laborers who had a stable lifestyle in the false post-war economies of the nations that were not destroyed during the war are now unable to keep up in a competitive global economy. Really not since the late 80s.

They are lashing out, but since they dont know what they are fighting against they are ripe for exploitation. And the right has found that its really easy, just keep it simple and choose a target. As long as someone has a target they dont have to think. Scientists, intelligent people, etc say "its complicated" and have a long, detailed answer when people ask whats wrong. People dont like complicated so they flock to the simple. So the people who are actually screwing you over are free to continue to screw you over because its easy for them to say, "I'm your friend its THOSE people who are responsible for your situation!"

I'm seeing it happen to people I know, including my father. He used to be an intelligent man but now he is only capable of absorbing sound bytes and parroting them. If you sit with him and outline the details he can admit that maybe he has the wrong idea, but he certainly is no longer intellectually mature enough to do it on his own. Its just easier to watch fox and friends.
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