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Old 04-03-2019, 09:24 PM
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Concessions are stupid. Period. Up your game if you aren't seeing results.

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Old 04-04-2019, 12:16 AM
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Bloody hell, @swissinn . You say it like it is! Love your style compared to my wordy eloquence!!

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Bloody hell, @swissinn . You say it like it is! Love your style compared to my wordy eloquence!!

Come on Honda !!!!!!!!
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Old 04-04-2019, 07:10 AM
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Come on Honda !!!!!!!!
Nah, it's a pipe dream at the moment. Wishing for Honda to succeed would be like wishing for @MacRoyWallace to desist from the Guns & Politics forum. Some things just aren't meant to be!!

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Nigel we are on the same page but Dorna seems hell bent on trying control the performance of WSBK machines. The 100cc displacement to lesser/old designs is certainly the lesser of 2 evils. Its like dealing with the government, you have to give them Something to get them off your back. Honda is the LAST company that should need help to get a competitive Superbike on the WSBK grid . A company like Triumph for example you can understand. They have no Superbike in there line up and is a small company. Mr Honda is turning in his grave . Honda has the NEW RC213v just sitting in a warehouse yet they are still using the 10 year old design CBR1000RR???
PS Speaking of Dorna logic. When Dorna had a special meeting to discuss the high speeds attained in MotoGP, One members solution was to go back to the tire compounds of 3-5 years ago.( Motomatters.com) Do the members of Dorna actually ride a motorcycle ??
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Old 04-05-2019, 12:33 AM
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Nigel we are on the same page . . .
Yes, agreed, and fair enough. But my page reads better!

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. . . When Dorna had a special meeting to discuss the high speeds attained in MotoGP, One members solution was to go back to the tire compounds of 3-5 years ago . . .
This smacks of copying the F1 (1988) requirement of grooved tyres to slow down cars. You're totally correct: tyres have a far greater role than just top speed.

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Old 04-07-2019, 01:59 AM
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The other way to look at it is Dorna propping up losing which is exactly what the old Ducati V twins and now V4s would be doing if they weren't being propped up by a displacement crutch.

Have always felt the Ducatis are overhyped competing against smaller better designed engines. Goes all the way the way back to the 916 era.

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Old 04-07-2019, 03:33 AM
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I can't believe I am going to defend Ducati!

I was against the 750 vs 916 approach, which for me was making bikes compete that no one else would choose by cost or performance. I think club racing is always a good gauge, what wins there is a fairer comparison. I only ever competed against 1 Ducati at club level (superbike) and he had more money than sense :-).

There is an argument because of WSB propping up Ducati, it lead to the demise of 750's as eventually 1000 4's were needed to compete, then the twins increase capacity again, where does it end? Remember the homologation specials, from Ducati and Yamaha et al.

Anyway that's the history.

Ducati does not have a capacity advantage now, the V4R is 998cc. It also seems easier to buy a V4R than the equivalent Kawasaki, but they all meet the production quantity rules. 1st time in a long time, if you exclude the Buell they are all on the same cc. There will always be bikes at different point of the development cycle, so parity will never truly exist. I think Ducati have actually done a very good job, great rider and a great bike.

Racing is about profit not wining, for the organisers anyway. They need a spectacle, that's why so many championships have control factors ecu's, tyres, cc, RPM limits etc to create a spectacle. Do I personally agree with the balancing, not 100%. There should never be a compensation to enable a competitor to catch the leader, if you like, but a hand to the lower end of the field to close up the gaps is OK in my mind, so long as if their result improve above a team with out compensation then they have to lose that compensation.

You have to look at the current WSB and say one rider is working the bike significantly better than others.

On a personal note, I have never understood why a top speed advantage is always berated, you don't hear people saying that's not fair that bike has superior mid corner balance, or not fair its so good on the brakes. I guess that it comes down to the belief that you 'only' need to open the throttle to use the top speed and that takes no skill? Looking at Bautista, he is getting on the throttle very early and that takes some serious danglies and skill, just like corner entry and mid corner.

Laverty said that it's the first bike he has ridden which does everything well, no real weaknesses. I feel possibly for the first time, apples for apples, Ducati has beat the field, and the rest need to catch up.

While this year may not go down as one of the best, in terms of dominance and the whole race being about 2nd, 3rd, 4th. Next year may be really good, 1 or 2 dominant riders battling for 1st, like the 2002 championship.

Anyway that just my opinion.

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That's a good read, Aaron. Cheers!!

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Old 04-07-2019, 08:47 AM
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I agree Ducati is beating them straight up but look what they had to do. Go to a 4 cylinder. What's next, an inline 4.
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