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post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 03-13-2019, 04:49 PM Thread Starter
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Moto2 new set up better all around

The much anticipated change from aged Honda 4 cylinder to the new Triumph 786 inline Triple was a great success. The new moto2 set up is faster , quicker and the sound is nothing less than music to a motorheads ears. IMHO Moto2 bikes seemed like under powered SS 600 bikes. Now with more power and phenominal sound they are much more like WSBK entries. Unfortunatly The MV Moto2 bike is somehow? down on power and handing is sub par comparied to the rest of the field . Not bad mouthing you know I am a MV Race Fan but I still call it like it is . The MV F4RC was down 3-5 KMH to the fastest factory Kawasaki and Ducati teams but was also the best handling bike in WSBK (motoCourse) making it on Par with the factory Yamaha R1 team.... The new MV Moto2 bike is roughly 10-12 KPH down in top speed and being the engines are all equal/boxed MV engineers have a tough job ahead of them . Reguardless I will still be cheering them on hoping thet improve every race . Take care all
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Yup, there was a 20 second piece of footage during free practice 3.
It was either Luthi or Vierge who passed Manzi in the 2nd to last corner on the exit.
Both went to take the last corner at same speed, but on the exit the MV was wiggling its butt all over the place and coudnt seem to get any grip whatsoever.
Whats even worse is that the Dynavolt was litteraly creating a gap of 0.3 / 0.5 on its own while the MV was (trying) slipstreaming.
*Also multiple short times the MV was in screen is was very unstable on exits.
**To be completely fair, MV sure as hell doesnt have two "amazing" riders on board. But that doesnt justify the 1.5-2.0 second a lap slower times.

Something is off really bad.
They've tested the aerodynamics in the windtunnel. And 2 different side fairings were shown on pictures.
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BGS thanks for the info. Love the triumph triple engine change . Whats up with KTM in Moto2? I read the change to the Triumph 765 triple put the KTM from being a strong front runner to struggling at the middle of grid. .

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Hard to say if they're in the middle of the field.
I believe B,Binder came in 10th. And binder has always been around podium to 10th.
And Martin is new to Moto2 so he might still need to find his "mojo"
Its only the first race of the season so far. Time will tell. KTM has shown they can fight first half of the race. And on which they can improve.
MV on the other hand...alot ALOT of work to do.

Dont forget that KTM had a superb ending to the 2017 season and brought a solid podium contending motorcycle in 2018. Usually Oliveira took the podiums while Binder was around 5th/10th most of the time.

*In winter testing there were stories that they struggled with something. Cant remember what it was.

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I will be watching in Austin, in about a month. Racing, well, from my experience on snowmobiles: first race is always a shake down. Be patient, MV could surprise. I think the effort is worth the effort, and good for the brand, and engineers.

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I will be watching in Austin, in about a month. Racing, well, from my experience on snowmobiles: first race is always a shake down. Be patient, MV could surprise. I think the effort is worth the effort, and good for the brand, and engineers.
I know a thing or two about formula 1 winter testing. How things go during their test days.

Never really informed myself into motorcycle sport winter testing. What kind of programs or what times means during winter.
All I've seen is that basically throughout all sessions the MV was at minimum 0.8-1.0 slower than the leader on timesheet.

Aegerter did say the MV felt good during testing. So I really dont understand the lack of rear grip in Qatar raceweekend.
Maybe they tried something new and didnt work out, but I do wish they get closer to top10.

Lets be completely honest. They were around P20 and werent in shot even once during the race. So the regular Joes watching the race never knew a MV was participating.
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The upside of this is that being Moto2 uses boxed engines so MV only has to work on the Chassis/Handling of the machine and since all the teams just started with the Triumph 765 all the tams had to design a new chassis.
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The upside of this is that being Moto2 uses boxed engines so MV only has to work on the Chassis/Handling of the machine and since all the teams just started with the Triumph 765 all the tams had to design a new chassis.
Looks like they need to add aerodynamics to the list too.

A motorcycle is a dynamically moving object that will react very differently to the wind tunnel tests results when moving around a track.

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The upside of this is that being Moto2 uses boxed engines so MV only has to work on the Chassis/Handling of the machine and since all the teams just started with the Triumph 765 all the tams had to design a new chassis.
Since they use boxed engines, does that include the transmission gearing?

I don't know if the Trumpet has a cassette gearbox.

It seemed like a gearing issue. Drive ratio.

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I am under the impression that the gearbox and even the final gear ratios must be the same which makes sense if your attempting to create a field running all the same power. What my point was is that at least MV is developing there new chassis to the new TRiumph 765 at the same time all the other teams did/are doing so. Silent I do agree, it seems like a gearing issue because of the extent of the discrepancy of trap speeds

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