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Question Bike or Pilot?

Reading through other threads, it strikes me that we should have a discussion about whether it is the bike or the rider that makes the record.

I hold up as examples: Rossi going to Ducati, Camier going to Honda, Lorenzo going to Ducati, etc.

With a change of bike came a change of performance - some better - some worse.

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Too many variables but I am going to say rider. MM won the MotoGP title this year because he is such a good rider on a very good bike. I don't think he wins on another bike but Dovizioso would had a better chance on a better bike.
Zarco has showed his skills on an independent team and should do much better on a factory ride.
But have you seen Camier's times since jumping on the Honda...

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@Angelo-MV: You are making the point that it is the bike.....

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Ooooo I love these threads. The past has shown us time and time again that even the best riders/drivers in the world are unable to compete if the machinery isn't up to the task(Rossi-Ducati, Lorenzo-Ducati)(Schumacher-Mercedes, Alonso-Mclaren). Yet a rider with perhaps less raw talent can be a winner on a great machine. But then you get the rare combo of alien riders and amazing machinery and you end up with Rossi winning 5 in a row? MM93 crushing everyone now, Rea and Kawasaki is unbeatable and Mercedes in F1 with whatever driver they want. I feel this convo may have come about by my comment in the other thread about how Camier has the Honda into top 3rd on only day 2. Camier is likely the best development rider in motorcycle racing today. His ability to get the most out of every machine he rides is unbelievable. Honda knows this and they have the $$$ to heed his recommendations and make the bike fast. I think it'll be a contender in no time.
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So ya...machinery imho is the biggest factor.
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I don't know. I would say it's matching the riders skill to bike that wins Championship. I added Zarco as an example but come to think about it he did say he liked the 2017 bike better than the 2016. So it's the perfect combination that wins championship in my head
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On another note. In MotoGP or WSBK, it would be fun to see the top 7-10 riders racing on identical bikes for a 3-5 race shootout
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Camier is likely the best development rider in motorcycle racing today. His ability to get the most out of every machine he rides is unbelievable. Honda knows this and they have the $$$ to heed his recommendations and make the bike fast.

...for Camier.

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Stoner on ducati proves that he is the goat.
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