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post #21 of 35 (permalink) Old 11-27-2017, 04:52 PM
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...an IROC on motorcycles....

YES please! Not a new idea, but always fun to talk about. Too bad it just won't happen.
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post #22 of 35 (permalink) Old 12-04-2017, 02:12 PM
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Definitely both.

As for F1, well thats another story, thats definitely 80-90% car.

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Marquez rode himself to this years championship as Honda is Still chasing chassis problems . Rossi had a good chance of winning title if he didn't get injured. In pre season testing teams are not looking for pure speed so its hard to use as barometer of upcoming racing speed.
I hope camier does well because if not its anouther rossi/ducati expectation. Riders are not engineers but they do give the engineers direction of what they want/need to go faster. If a small factory like MV AGUSTA can work an older engine into competitive power Honda with its mass resources should be able to do the same or better.
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Thank you for that. I have always felt that he was simply the best, OK so he wasn't especially media friendly; but no one could ride or develop a bike like he did at the time, and almost certainly still now. He did not like the sponsor stuff and just wanted to get back to his wife and kids, what so wrong about that? Maybe none of you are old enough, but you try talking to Phil Read.

It's a definite maybe.
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Yamaha did NoTHING to the YZF500 for the 3 years he won the title and Goodyear tires ended up being the worse motorcycle tire to be used in a MotoGP. Yamaha figured Roberts was so good they didn't need to spend any money on the bike . Honda did the same with Hailwood Both factories learned a lesson. My god in 1981 I think Yamaha had a whole new bike on the grid every 2 races lol m
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So, Jake, you are in the "it's the rider" category then?

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Definatly Cars are the opposite . Today I out rode a 2015 Kawasaki zx10R. I am not a good rider but my Triumph Sprint st 1050 is a much more nimble ride than the KawasakiZX10R. Got to go lye down feet are blowing up with water and wont go back down not good heart problem most likely. Ironic since I have been in such good shape all my life and family freaky streng. If Something bad happens. Nice knowin you
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There is many ways to look at things...

I for one say it is an equal pairing of Rider and Machine.... unless of course you have the best bike on the grid and have custom tires made for you for each race (Rossi the not so GOAT). Dovi has obviously stepped up his riding this past season, and I think Stoner has quite a bit to do with it, mentoring him and also in the development of the bike.

if Rhea stayed with Honda, Chaz would have now had 2 or 3 titles, instead of zero. but he didn't and will take 2018 WSBK.
If Lorenzo stayed with Yamaha he would of been fighting for the title this year if not won, but he went Ducati and now sucks.
Marquez, can ride anything I think... But he lacks the ability to build a bike or so it appears.
Stoner, could ride anything & perhaps give that development advice which has helped Ducati this past season?

So many variables to the game, but I would say adaptability as a rider, and a package that can meet the needs of a rider and give them the confidence to press harder is what will win. just like Marquez shows every weekend, crash or win.
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I think its the bike normally but then you come across Casey Stoner explain why he's the only one who could do justice to the earlier

GP Ducati's
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I think its the bike normally but then you come across Casey Stoner explain why he's the only one who could do justice to the earlier

GP Ducati's

I am a HUGE Stoner fan, but you know Bayliss wild carded one race in 2006 and won, the 2007 bike Stoner rode was based on that bike.. So you cant say it was a bad machine... He also did manage to win races and be competitive on the bike Ducati unleashed on him (frameless) and others who could do nothing with it.


Wish he stayed on the Honda as he would of had another 1-2 titles under his belt.
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