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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 04-28-2016, 11:13 PM Thread Starter
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Does Yamaha have EBR Racing Syndrom?

For the record , out of the big 4 Japanese manufactures Yamaha has been the leader in bringing innovation of new technologies into production motorcycles. The perimeter frame , single shock rear suspension, leading link front suspension (GTS1000) down draft carbs/throttle bodies ect ect.
Now once again they have upped the bar in riding aids /computers In the New R1.
Yamaha is a true motorcycle enthusiast owned company.... Kudos..
What is very Surprising is the new R1, now in its second year, is still having engine reliability problems?
In WSBK and National superbike series the R1 lacks the Horsepower of its competitors and yet the R1 has been blowing engines . Yamaha ups the horsepower to be competitive on larger tracks and the problem gets worse.
AKA EBR Racing syndrome.
Before anyone accuses me of being a ..hater... My first motorcycle (9 years old) was a Yamaha JT60 and I have owned MANY yamahas all seemingly bullet proof.
ALso I own Buells and am in the midst of a (extremely technical)Turbocharged 1420cc Buell Firebolt Build.

I HOPE Yamaha gets the R1 problems ironed out . Its just I have never seen Yamaha in such a quandary.
IF ANYONE OWNS A NEW R1 . WHATS YOUR OPINION OF THE NEW ELECTRONICS? RAVED IN MAGAZINES BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR REAL WORLD RIDER IMPUT .
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post #2 of 10 (permalink) Old 04-29-2016, 01:31 AM
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Hi Paul.
Man I don't know where you get your information from, 2016 is Yamaha's 1st year in WSBK, and they accumulated more points in the 1st round than what EBR did in a whole season, so I don't see that comparison of yours.
Currently lying 8th and 10th in the Championship - http://www.crash.net/wsbk/championsh...s/content.html

I can't speak about the USA National Championship, but judging by what footage we see it's a struggling one, much like our own Aussie Championships, for what it's worth though, the Yamaha's are doing fine here. See pictures.

As for the last two years in it's existence, the R1 won the BSB Championship last year mate, one of the toughest Superbike Championships in the world, I'm pretty sure we've discussed this just a few weeks ago.
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Dons, waht he meant is that going the innovative way might be the hard way to go. It's not a direct comparison of performance with EBR. At least I did not see it like that.

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Ah, thanks Erik.

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Are you guys aware that every single Yamaha R1 and R1M from 2015 was recalled due to transmission issues? This essentially wiped out all profits they made from the bike. $500 in parts and 16 hours labour PER BIKE. At least they made it right.

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Yes I realise that, makes no difference to how well they go though.

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Hi Swissin, Donsey. Swissin is correct. Not a direct comparison to EBR . I'm just very surprised Yamaha is in situation of being down on power AND having reliability problems. Like EBR when they try to match competitions horsepower on larger tracks the engine fail rate increases . Between rock and hard place .
Why I stated 2 years I am Counting last year as Yamaha was contesting Various national Superbike series/championships. Yamaha has been a tech leader in the industry for decades and I cannot remember Yamaha EVER having this many engine problems in a unit. In 2014 all the Japanese companies had an increase I engine failiers trying to match the HP of the Aprilias But this is a different situation as Yamaha is the only Japanese company having engine failiers in WSBK (and National series)
I HOPE THEY STRAITEN PROBLEMS OUT .. IM JUST SURPRISED. THE SAME WAY I WOULD BE SURPRISED TO SEE MERCEDES HAVING ENGINE PROBLEMS AFTER 2 YEARS.
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USA Road racing is at an all time LOW. Yamaha is the ONLY factory involved . Yoshumura Suzuki is there only real competition and Yosh is still using BEN SPIES old bike .Yamaha Did win the MotoAmerica 2015 championship . But still Yamaha did have an unusual amount of engine Failiers.(and when they do fail the bikes seem to catch on fire for some odd reason?)
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USA Road racing is at an all time LOW. Yamaha is the ONLY factory involved . Yoshumura Suzuki is there only real competition and Yosh is still using BEN SPIES old bike .Yamaha Did win the MotoAmerica 2015 championship . But still Yamaha did have an unusual amount of engine Failiers.(and when they do fail the bikes seem to catch on fire for some odd reason?)
Not entirely true. Yoshimura IS the Suzuki factory bike, and it is NOT the old 2005 model at all. And kicking the Yamaha pretty well thank you.

Kawasaki and Honda have not returned to the series yet, still getting over the DMG damages and hard feelings.....but Wayne Rainey is making great progress, with actual TV coverage and growing interest.
Still small grids, but more races than when he finally took over from DMG.

and this year it is not just a Yamaha Suzuki grid, with some Kawasakis, BMWs and Ducatis competing...No Hondas in the liter class though.

At the Austin MotoGP races an aftermarket oil filter split on one of the R1s during the Saturday eve race, catching the bike on fire and oiling the track, bringing out the red flag. (Dorna wasn't too happy with that)
MotoAmerica issued a ban on anything but OEM oil filters on the R1s after that.
I think next year will be even better racing in the US. Rainey is determined to make American racing relevant again.

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HI Eqz, The announcer said The engine maps had Spies and His teammates name on them. Suzuki is using same electric engine components . Yes They CANT be using same bike lol. MotoAmerica is MUCH better this year as last year they used on board camera SO much you couldn't tell what was going on . Now I look Forward to watching series. You are correct , the Suzukis are giving the new Yamahas a run for there money . That's my point , After 6 years of development I expected Yamaha to at least Trounce the old Suzuki GSXR 1000s .
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