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2017 Euro4 loose power against Euro3 engines

800cc 125 becomes 110HP
800cc 140 becomes 125HP

they say, and they are already producing MY2017, so a run on old stock at the dealer?

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800cc 125 becomes 110HP
800cc 140 becomes 125HP

they say, and they are already producing MY2017, so a run on old stock at the dealer?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

I'm going for a B3 RR (before my new 4 pot). I want that top end.
Exactly what I was afraid of. I'm sure it will have more torque all over the place, but still the 140 region is ideal!

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The euro4 2016 B3 800 puts 116hp (not 110) at the crankshaft.
The sacrifice of hp, to a certain extent at least, seams like a conscious decision in order to massively increase torque.
It seems they had room for more hp(at the expense of torque), without increasing capacity.
The RR in my opinion/preference should be biased more towards peak power.

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"Calm down dear" as Michael Winner would say.

Just about every press review of the new, lower peak power, Brutale 800 says the bike is better for it and you really won't miss it.

I went from my Brutale 800 which produced 125hp at the back wheel to a Stradale 800 which is 115hp at the crank and you really don't notice much difference in the area of the rev range where the engine spends 90% of the time. Power figures are just for playing top trumps down the pub with your mates

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"Calm down dear" as Michael Winner would say.

Just about every press review of the new, lower peak power, Brutale 800 says the bike is better for it and you really won't miss it.

I went from my Brutale 800 which produced 125hp at the back wheel to a Stradale 800 which is 115hp at the crank and you really don't notice much difference in the area of the rev range where the engine spends 90% of the time. Power figures are just for playing top trumps down the pub with your mates
No, no, no Ackers. You got me all wrong. I do not believe in numbers/spec-sheets. I can appreciate the widest range of engine types/character you can imagine. And I certainly appreciate torque, look at my current bikes.
For the MV 3-cylinder it is my preference to be biased a bit more towards peak power.
As to where the engine spends 90% of the time, without arrogance, allow me to say that I'm not a "normal" rider.
And I am romantically eager to believe that MVs are not meant for "normal" riders.
And I do not go to pubs.

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No, no, no Ackers. You got me all wrong. I do not believe in numbers/spec-sheets. I can appreciate the widest range of engine types/character you can imagine. And I certainly appreciate torque, look at my current bikes.
For the MV 3-cylinder it is my preference to be biased a bit more towards peak power.
As to where the engine spends 90% of the time, without arrogance, allow me to say that I'm not a "normal" rider.
And I am romantically eager to believe that MVs are not meant for "normal" riders.
And I do not go to pubs.
You are damn right and I love the top power thing. That is the rush that I anticipate for every ride. Don't care about low and mid range because then you are cruising anyway with 20% of the throttle and who cares about power then.
Can we go back to two strokes

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No, no, no Ackers.
And I do not go to pubs.
Jeez, don't go to pubs

I'm out of here

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The two things that give you the power rush you love are cam lift and timing. Unfortunately they are not synonymous with the euro 4 standard. Less cam overlap and less lift gives you more torque at the expense of top end power but it cuts emissions and usually gives better fuel economy.

Some manufacturers have pulled it off and some haven't. Porsche have dumped their n/a flat 6 and gone to a turbo 4 which enthusiasts are less than happy about. I have a turbo 4 Subaru and it's still an exciting engine to use but it's all about torque not top end rush. Fast though.

Manufacturers could pass Euro 4 with a screamer but they'd need to use much more sophisticated electronics than they seem to be prepared to do. Cost I suppose. And lack of expertise.
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Jeez, don't go to pubs

I'm out of here
You don't get it, do you?
Let me give you a hint. I do enjoy English pubs and I do enter their physical premises. But I do not go to pubs as mentioned by Ackers.
(he uses the same paradigm in another post/thread,not towards me, also in a derogatory way,he doesn't know me, doesn't know how I think about motorcycles or otherwise)
You know where the name derives from ah?
Jeez, you English are supposed to be witty!


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Jeez, don't go to pubs

I'm out of here
Another hint because it is late and I don't want to get you stressed or anything.

I loathe platitudes, banalities and more so being accused of such.

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