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#1 · (Edited)
Well it's finally happened. I noticed the left side of the tank is much closer to the steering damper then the right side. When I went to my dealer I was told it was not covered under warranty unless it was leaking.

Does anyone know if this is true or not? It seems to be defective to me and should be covered under warranty.
 

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#2 ·
Called MV Agusta USA and the gentlemen I spoke with was very receptive to my issues. He took all my information down and passed it along to warranty support. He said that the dealership should have never told me it wasn't covered under warranty and I should hear back from MV by Wednesday of this week.

Do you see that? It's my shit eating grin and my faith being restored in MV.
 
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The new tanks should not be affected. All the Italian brands seem to have had this problem. The plastic chosen by Acerbis (primary supplier to many manufacturers) was not up to the task and has been replaced.

You can seal the tank for added protection (I use KBS sealers)...but my old 2008 Brutale has a plastic tank and has never had a problem with E10 gas....but i still go for E0 whenever possible.

I am seeing more and more stations with E0 pumps available (although usually only 87 R+M/2).
I think the gas stations are getting wise to the public's demands.....usually costs about $0.20 more per gallon though. The Shell station just up the road from me has 90 octane E0 !!!

Look here: http://www.pure-gas.org/
 
#10 ·
E0 gas stations

Here's a map of the USA and Canada with blue pins for E0 gas stations. Hawaii also has some E0 stations, and Alaska does not get any ethanol gas...at all !! :yo:

Anyway, there are some in California.
 

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Ok Atom, you didn't mention the tank "dot" in your opening statement, that's a fairly big omission, so now I'm even more curious.

I hear what you say about MV being arrogant towards USA (it's not them only) customers by selling the bikes without a warning, and I clearly remember someone posting a picture of his bike having a sticker on the tank where it's advised to not use Ethanol fuel, it might have been in a manual too, but that's besides the point.
I am glad they are supplying new tanks though.:)

Now just because I'm terrible curious and always very pro-active around my bikes, cars and woman, but if you knew the fuel in the USA might be a problem for your tank, and not even mentioning other parts of the fuel system, why have you not tried taking steps to prevent this, maybe using fuel stabilisers or leaving less fuel in the bike etc.
I know of a few guys who get the non Ethanol fuel delivered to their houses in a big bad drum, so only occasionally have to top up with E10 etc.

It amazes me at how many guys come on here, and other forums I peak into, and are totally amazed to find out that their Countries are switching to this shit (UK members are terrible for this), and the affects in can have on your motor vehicles, are people really that un-informed and ignorant, or is it also just arrogance. :ahhh:

I imagine my poor fellow Aussies (some at least) will take another 5 years to realise what shit they've been putting into their vehicles and then start blaming the manufacturers, probably be the same people who agreed for the stuff to be used in the 1st place.

Please don't think of me being pissy, this stuff really get's me angry and I'm always very curious about possible solutions rather than just complaining.
 
#13 ·
If you look at the tank warning sticker that came on your bike, it says to use non-ethanol fuel only.
Here, in Massachusetts, USA, it is not possible to use non-ethanol fuel.
Use a fuel ethanol stabilizer such as Star-Tron or Stabil Marine Ethanol Treatment and it will minimize the problem.

I did think the Grey Dot tanks were not susceptible....

I am currently testing a theory put out by some of the good folks at a Ducati Shop...drain the tank and put it in the sun for a bit. It should return to normal dimensions.
 
#28 ·
If you look at the tank warning sticker that came on your bike, it says to use non-ethanol fuel only.
Here, in Massachusetts, USA, it is not possible to use non-ethanol fuel.
Use a fuel ethanol stabilizer such as Star-Tron or Stabil Marine Ethanol Treatment and it will minimize the problem.

I did think the Grey Dot tanks were not susceptible....

I am currently testing a theory put out by some of the good folks at a Ducati Shop...drain the tank and put it in the sun for a bit. It should return to normal dimensions.
You mean the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts? It's bullsh*t your politicians won't allow non-ethanol fuel. I honestly don't get why anyone would live up in the liberal north. Come to the south. We ride year around, have non-ethanol fuel and conceal carry. :yo:

Oh yeah, (not directed at you silent) the owners manual says don't use ethanol fuel. Pretty much plain and simple. It's not even hard to find. At some point people need to take responsibility for learning about the bike they ride. It's not MV's fault if someone didn't know that because somehow they thought he government would protect them. (see: conceal carry) :)
 
#14 ·
Dons, I think you're being pissy.

How is it the customers fault?

How are people supposed to know there is ethanol in fuel, and how are they supposed to know it's bad for their bike?

It's easy when you've got 20k posts on a specialist forum but how is a normal person supposed to know they have to Google "What is ethanol and is it bad for my bike?

I think someone might be uninformed, ignorant and arrogant, and I think it might be you.

You're a very helpful person, no need to be a jerk too. ☺
 
#15 ·
Not once did I say it was the consumers fault, get over yourself man, and YOU call me a jerk :stickpoke wtf.

I knew about Ethanol long before I joined any forum, read the newspaper, listen to the news :thewife:
Everybody needs to be spoon fed these days, I'm pretty sure Atom is not one of those.

Is it because I mentioned Australians, did I hit a nerve, grow a set man. :jerkoff::)

Maybe hang around a bit longer before you also become another moan at friggin everything member, it's got nothing to do with the amount of post's, but it does too.:loser:
Oh wait, I forgot the emoticon :)
 
#16 ·
^^^Steven, one only has to read the material supplied with the bike purchased to know that ethanol fuel is not to be used.

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If people would spend the time to familiarize themselves with the machine, there would be less "pissy-ness".
 
#17 ·
^^^Steven, one only has to read the material supplied with the bike purchased to know that ethanol fuel is not to be used.

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If people would spend the time to familiarize themselves with the machine, there would be less "pissy-ness".
Sure let me just go return my bike because it says in the manual, that was given to me after purchase, not to use ethanol fuel. It just doesn't work that way.

If I took that theory into my IT career, I'd be out of the job.
 
#20 ·
Fuck them

To import a vehicle into the US it must comply with DOT regulations and be

COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING CONDITIONS IN THE US ie Ethanol.......

Importing vehicles into the US that comply with DOT safety regulations is one thing

Importing vehicles that are not compatible with US CONDITIONS shows intent to

DEFRAUD US buyers.......

Aprilia, Ducati and MV all sent KNOWINGLY DEFECTIVE TANKS to the US

THIS IS A CRIMINAL ACT

Did I miss anything??..


TYPICAL **** ASSHOLES
 
#23 ·
I also agree that the producing company has a responsibility to use compatible materials and that stickers and words in a manual do not aleviate this responsibility; but, an informed consumer is the way that information is brought to bear on reparations.
 
#31 · (Edited)
I was being perfectly polite and curious, till you came along with your fragile ego or whatever you use to make judgement on peoples post when you don't know or the circumstances surrounding the situation at all.
I suggest you look around the forum a bit, outside of the usual sections, before you call this a specialist site or call people names.

I'm confused. Are you calling me names or the community at large whom are affected by this oversite of MV Agusta? Just trying to clarify your passive aggressiveness.

The solution is pretty much been said by

Ducati was sued over this and lost in court. You think its on the owner to know this but the courts ruled against your opinion.

I take no issue with Steve at all. He hasn't said anything to offend me, yet every time I speak ill of MV you pounce on me. Why is that?
There's nothing directed at you, never was, I've always gone out of my way to help you.
Try to read my post without thinking it's directed at you personally, but rather a technically enquiring post.

Just remember that when you can take the time to come onto a MV forum to complain about something Atom, you could also have taken the time to do a bit of research into the products you use, that's the way I see it at least and I understand not everybody is the same.

If you mentioned in your original post that you already had what we know as the "updated" fuel tank, it would have answered so many questions straight up.

As far as I remember, Ducati was sued and lost because they refused to accept responsibility for the tank malfunctions and loss of property it caused.
As far as I can see MV have in the past, and evidently still are, replacing faulty tanks.:)

Thanks to the guys who have given feedback on using fuel stabilizers.:)

And yes, another member with this problem on a early 201 F4 put his tank in the sun and once the water evaporated his tank returned to normal.

So many reasons to NOT go ahead producing Ethanol fuels.
http://www.easychem.com.au/producti...ntages-and-disadvantages-of-ethanol-as-a-fuel
http://environment.about.com/od/ethanolfaq/f/ethanol_benefit.htm

 
#27 ·
I've had this issue as well with my bike, right after I bought the bike. When I confronted this issue to the dealer that I bought my bike from, I was pretty much told that the issue would not be covered by the mfgr warranty. This was back in 2014.

Since then, to prevent the tank from further deformation, I have been using Staboil Ethanol stabilizer every time I fill up my tank with ethanol containing fuel. In SoCal where I live, it is pretty much after each and every fuel up.

Anyways, it looks like the fuel stabilizer is doing its job, as my tank has not gotten any worse from the initial bloat up/bubbling.
 
#42 ·
I would just like to throw my weight into this discussion!

Early this year I spotted a dimple had formed in the top of my Brutale 800's tank, not bad but you could see it in the right light. So I traded the bike in and bought a new MV, problem solved ;) :D
 
#45 ·
Moto, looking at your bike list I'm jealous. Can I offer a suggestion? Drain the treated fuel and replace with Avation 100LL. 10 years from then you'll not have any problems! Today's fuel is crap to begin with why bother using it in that collection? It cost more but I sleep better knowing there's not going to be any BS fuel issues ever! GL
 
#47 ·
I've been sternly advised to use Sta-bil with every fill up for every bike I own. This is was advice from someone who has been riding for over 40 years and has a nice collection of bikes. My tank was replaced as per warranty in Dec '17, at which point I was told that the replacement tank was already coated for ethanol.

For those with plastic tanks, an option would be to send your tank to GTL in North Hollywood and have it coated.
 
#48 ·
To clarify, that would be preferably Marine Stabil with Ethanol Treatment.
 
#49 ·
Thanks to all for discussion of plastic tanks, MV recommendations and the fuel treatments.

Likely delivery of 2018 Dragster RR this week. I will use fuel stabilizer as recommended by my dealer from first fill up.
Looked for E0 gasoline around Sugar Land, TX USA on websites: seems to be some around, so I may endeavor to fill with the
pure stuff.

cheers
 
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