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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 05-20-2019, 06:19 PM Thread Starter
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Direct engine swap F4 312R 2007 to F41000 2006

Hi Guys,
Have a mate who needed my f4 312R 2007 engine. We wonder if his F41000 2006 coil packs and wiring loom will be a direct fit to my engine? Some advices will be highly appriciated!
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Well, there are some major differences between the 312R and the 2006 F4 1000.

Just a couple include that stick coils are used on the 312R and the ECu changed from a 1.6M to a 5SM.

The 1.6M ECU program is not compatible with the 312R engine design as timing and valve configuration are different. I tried putting my ECu program into a regular F4 1000R and that did not work well either.

I'm not sure about other engine sensors and things, but I would recommend getting a 312R harness.
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What SS703 said.... you will need the entire electrical system.

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Wouldn't work Kevin.
The 1000S has 2 coils and not 4 Beru stick coils.
It has no camshaft position sensor or 02 sensor. The EBS relay function is within ecu on the 312.

ECU is different,
The harness consequently is radically different.


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Wait a minute boys and girls.......

If you take an '07 312 motor and take the complete harness off......what's different?
A M1.6 ECU will fire the plugs and squirt fuel......the cam position sensor is for the 5SM ECU, ignore it
A chip from Adam will delete the EBS bullshit
Ask him to bump the fuel up by the difference in the HP......
https://www.rcfuelinjection.com/Technical

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Yeah. What Noel said 🙂
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Wait a minute boys and girls.......

If you take an '07 312 motor and take the complete harness off......what's different?
A M1.6 ECU will fire the plugs and squirt fuel......the cam position sensor is for the 5SM ECU, ignore it
A chip from Adam will delete the EBS bullshit
Ask him to bump the fuel up by the difference in the HP......
https://www.rcfuelinjection.com/Technical

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Yeah. What Noel said 🙂
ECU connections and some relays are quite different:

5SM (2007 and on F4 1000/312R/312RR)

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Well.....an engine is an engine is an engine......so yeah, it will work.

Just need the right sensor signals for the engine control unit to fire plugs and injectors at the appropriate point in crankshaft rotation.....getting it tuned to run well is where the fun begins.

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I'm with Ed, you'll need some flexibility in software and tuning to get it work with the 1000s harness and ecu, unless you've got a ROM burner next to your dyno, I'd forget about tuning the 1000s ecu for this. There are any number of ways to get this to work, the easiest of which is to swap the 312 wiring harness with the motor, then get a microtec which you should get anyway for any MV in any configuration.
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Damn you folks like to make things complicated......

All the electrical connections are the same except maybe the plug for the water temp sensor (the 4 wire one might be different)
The old coils might not fit tight in the newer valve cover......change the cover

Did you miss the part about "get a chip from Adam, will delete the EBS bullshit, ask him to bump the fuel up
by the difference in the HP"???

He already did maps, and sells the chips.......plug and play

No switching harnesses or buying $1,200 ECUs necessary

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