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post #11 of 17 (permalink) Old 12-23-2018, 04:41 AM
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THAT is very interesting B_G_S. As you're probably aware, ABS is compulsory (in EU) on motorcycles over 125cc since 2016.

Now that you've mentioned the facility to turn ABS off completely, I wonder if that contravenes any road safety regulations? Doesn't affect me, I just express interest and surprise in this.
Now that you mentioned that, I might be wrong with the completely off setting with ABS. Im 100% sure of the 1&2 setting.
I do know you can turn off traction control completely.
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My understanding is that the F3 like the F4 when the ABS is set to off, it's off not just reduced.

The Yam R1 does the same, off is off. The extra hose lengths do create a different feeling even when ABS is off. The Yam R1 I find quite gauge, which is why we tend to remove the ABS, to get a good feel and a significant weight reduction.

As I understand it UNECE Regulation 78 that covers ABS in Europe does not explicitly mention the ability to disable or prevent the user from disabling the system. This was deliberate as there were submissions about the use of ABS with trials bikes etc that can legitimately and legally be used off road yet have to remain compliant with road regulations at all times. Where mandated abs systems may not work correctly if designed for tarmac.

This has left the door open for manufacturers to enable the system to be disabled by the user, unlike emission control etc. Hence no prosecutions.
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Regulations are sometimes left as vague as the legislation for a reason but I'd be more concerned if there was an incident and the evidence showed that the ABS had been turned off .... is there anything in insurance that would allow them not to pay out because I am sure that they will not pay unless they need to and especially in Europe.

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Regulations are sometimes left as vague as the legislation for a reason but I'd be more concerned if there was an incident and the evidence showed that the ABS had been turned off .... is there anything in insurance that would allow them not to pay out because I am sure that they will not pay unless they need to and especially in Europe.

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If you circumvent a safety system, by that I mean disable a system that there is no user facility to do so, then you may be in a little trouble if they test it or can detect it.

I've always ridden modified bikes, including my race bikes with daytime Mots (for test purposes), I've never had any vehicle inspected after an accident, apart from tyres and documents even on visibly modified bikes. If your bike is inspected closely enough to detect non-user enabled disabling of a system there are probably bigger issues at play, i.e loss of life.

Suspension settings, traction control, abs are suggested settings by the factory for an average rider, what constitutes an average rider for an MV I'm not sure.

Riding with ABS enabled, and stock suspension settings if you weigh 17 stone is probably more of an issue.

Of course on many MV's it's a lot easier to detect a malfunctioning rear brake, (a legal requirement) at the side of the road, which is an issue for the MOT and more importantly the construction and use regulations which apply at all times.

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