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Except it's only more recently that weight figures from manufacturers is actually something resembling being honest.

I bet these weren't actually weighed, but going off the manufacturer spec
Nope. RRW weighed them all in real time. All the "dry" manufacturer weights were way more bogus. These are the real deal.

The '04-'05 ZX-10R was that light, and ahead of the game. No electronics, but cast wheels.

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Great information compiled. I'm going to save this with a basis of comparing numbers going forward. Thanks for the research and work on this information.
I'll add the '08 and '09 numbers from RRW, but no MVs were included.
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Didnt this magazine just have an comparison ? ............http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/s...ighlight=slags
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Good info.

As great as the advancements in power, traction control, and adding ABS are I would rather see lighter weight bikes minus the electronic aids.
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Didnt this magazine just have an comparison ? ............http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/s...ighlight=slags
Yep. The stats in the OP are from that comparison test, including the carry-over from last year.
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Good info.

As great as the advancements in power, traction control, and adding ABS are I would rather see lighter weight bikes minus the electronic aids.
I like the sales model of having two different versions of each superbike. The base model with base suspension, cast wheels, and no electronics; and the premium model with "active" suspension, forged wheels and full electronics.

The wheels and quickshifter, etc. can all be parts and accessories upgrades in the catalog. Obviously, the European manufacturers are already doing that, and with three tiers of product. The Japs haven't done much of that beyond choice of ABS/non-ABS and a few limited editions.

In reality, all the electronics now only add about 10 pounds or so. More weight can be saved with aftermarket exhaust and forged wheels by far.

An S1000RR with BSTs, ceramic bearings, lithium battery, titanium exhaust, and all Ilmberber carbon body panels could get that 461# wet down to Panigale R weight at 418#, or maybe a bit less. Toss in a trip to Carpenter racing for headwork, cams, and tuning; and it's a +30hp package for about 210 at the tire.

All that for a little more than the price of a Duc Pani R. I may have just talked myself into it.
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From the RRW 2009 comparison test...

Kawasaki ZX-10R: 162.36hp / 75.79tq
Suzuki GSX-R1000: 159.89hp / 79.50tq
Honda CBR1000RR: 157.83hp / 76.80tq
Yamaha YZF-R1: 152.98hp / 76.61tq

Honda CBR1000RR: 442# wet
Suzuki GSX-R1000: 456# wet
Kawasaki ZX-10R: 460# wet
Yamaha YZF-R1: 474# wet

Kawasaki ZX-10R Lap: 1:20.108
Honda CBR1000RR Lap: 1:20.544
Suzuki GSX-R1000 Lap: 1:21.092
Yamaha YZF-R1 Lap: 1:21.184


And from the RRW 2008 comparison test...

Suzuki GSX-R1000: 156.48hp / 74.48tq
Kawasaki ZX-10R: 155.91hp / 72.72tq
Yamaha YZF-R1: 150.50hp / 76.64tq
Honda CBR1000RR: 149.66 / 72.22tq

Honda CBR1000RR: 438# wet
Kawasaki ZX-10R: 456# wet
Yamaha YZF-R1: 460 wet
Suzuki GSX-R1000: 466# wet

Honda CBR1000RR Lap: 1:25.86
Kawasaki ZX-10R Lap: 1:25.94
Yamaha YZF-R1 Lap: 1:26.27
Suzuki GSX-R1000 Lap: 1:26.43
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AGGREGATE of the above weights from RRW comparison tests:

2013 Ducati 1199 Panigale R: 418# wet
2012 EBR 1190RS Carbon: 421# wet
2004 Kawasaki ZX-10R: 430# wet
2012 Ducati 1199 Panigale S: 430# wet
2007 Ducati 1098S: 434# wet
2012 Kawasaki ZX-10R: 438# wet
2008 Honda CBR1000RR: 438# wet
2010 Honda CBR1000RR: 440# wet
2011 Honda CBR1000RR: 440# wet
2004 Suzuki GSX-R1000: 442# wet
2009 Honda CBR1000RR: 442# wet
2011 Kawasaki ZX-10R: 442# wet
2013 Kawasaki ZX-10R: 442# wet
2012 Suzuki GSX-R1000: 447# wet
2012 Honda CBR1000RR: 448# wet
2007 Honda CBR1000RR: 450# wet
2012 KTM RC8 R: 450# wet
2007 Kawasaki ZX-10R: 451# wet
2010 BMW S1000RR: 455# wet
2008 Kawasaki ZX-10R: 456# wet
2009 Suzuki GSX-R1000: 456# wet
2010 Suzuki GSX-R1000: 457# wet
2012 Aprilia RSV4 Factory APRC: 457# wet
2010 Kawasaki ZX-10R: 458# wet
2012 BMW S1000RR: 458# wet
2007 Yamaha YZF-R1: 459# wet
2008 Yamaha YZF-R1: 460# wet
2009 Kawasaki ZX-10R: 460# wet
2010 Aprilia RSV4 Factory: 460# wet
2013 BMW S1000RR (not HP4): 461# wet
2011 BMW S1000RR: 462# wet
2007 Suzuki GSX-R1000: 466# wet
2008 Suzuki GSX-R1000: 466# wet
2013 Aprilia RSV4 Factory APRC: 466# wet
2004 Honda CBR1000RR: 467# wet
2010 MV Agusta F4: 470# wet
2013 MV Agusta F4 1000 RR: 470# wet
2010 Yamaha YZF-R1: 473# wet
2009 Yamaha YZF-R1: 474# wet
2012 Yamaha YZF-R1: 477# wet
2007 MV Agusta F4 1000R: 478# wet
2012 MV Agusta F4 1000 R: 480# wet


Interestingly, with a mean central weight of 450#, nothing in the last 10 years (or more) from any manufacturer has been more than +/- 30#; and that's even with forged versus cast wheels, and with lighter race exhaust systems included on a handful of models.

Note the Duc Pani S with its frameless design is less than 5 pounds lighter than the 1098/1198S it replaced.

Also note the Gen2 MV F4 is only slightly less porky than the Gen1.

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Nope. RRW weighed them all in real time. All the "dry" manufacturer weights were way more bogus. These are the real deal.

The '04-'05 ZX-10R was that light, and ahead of the game. No electronics, but cast wheels.
Well blow me down, I'll eat my hat sir.

Sorry for the assumption

Wow that is quite interesting then

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Well blow me down, I'll eat my hat sir.

Sorry for the assumption

Wow that is quite interesting then
No need for headwear consumption.

I'm compiling all the CW and Motorcyclist/SR stats/specs, too. They're all showing the same ranges.
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