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Is it too much bike?

Hi everyone. For those who dont already know Ive been thinking about getting an F4. Though theres something I didnt mention specifically to avoid what I think you're all going to tell me as many people have. Only experience I have is on mopeds.

So is a litre bike like an F4 too much for a first bike? I do see why pretty much everyone says I will kill myself. I get it, it goes from 0 to very fast in mere seconds and all it takes is someting like a wrong twist of the throttle.

But, and I know others have probably said this before, but can't I just be careful, ride maturely and safely and still get this bike. I would be inclined to do so if only because of the price of an F4 let alone my safety. Where do you all stand on this? Do you think there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY I should get one?
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Personal opinion.

Do not get one!!

It's not just the power. Bikes like these are very unforgiving they are a RACE bike. You make a small mistake on an f4, your hitting the deck, you make a small mistake on a more forgiving, ROAD bike you have a chance of saving it.

You will learn much much much more riding a smaller more sedate bike then an f4. You will forever be worried about breaking it, and you won't develop as a rider.

Ride something more suited to a learning rider for a year or 2. Then get an f4.

That's not the answer you were looking for. But you already know you aren't ready for it otherwise you wouldn't be asking the question.
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It's strange but everyone who has said I (or anyone else) shouldn't get such a bike for a first always mention getting yourself killed/hurt and maybe also the fact you're gonna trash the bike and I could look past all that (call it being fearless or stupid). I think what's making decide to start off on smaller bike is what others have sometimes mentioned usually as an aside but you seem to have made your main point: I wouldn't develop as a rider. So thank you mate. I think Im definitly gonna try a smaller bike.

Only problem is which one? i remember when I got my moped I briefly looked into sports bikes and back then there were plenty of options and that doesn't seem to be the case anymore. Several 125s but I think I could go a bit bigger but the only 250 I know of is the Ninja. Any suggestions? It must be a sport bike. Also, assuming I go for the ninja, do you think it would be reasonable to go for F4 after that?
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Cbr 600 F , around 85 hp and very linear power.
Bmw F800 S , has 80 hp , has always good resale value.
My favourite would be a Triumph Thruxton, has standard 68 hp , with other exhaust and minor tweaks 80 hp.
Problem is that you,ll probably never sell the Thruxton and buy a F4 as second bike.
To give you an idea , if I ever would be forced to one bike it would be my Bonneville. (same engine as the thruxton).
Good luck with whatever bike you buy
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No crystal ball is big enough to predict whether you'll be safe on an F4 as a first bike. The odds, however, statistically are against you.
So, trying to use logic and motivation as a method to answer this one here is a suggestion:
Buy a smaller capacity bike, like the Kawasaki 250 Ninja. Don't limit ownership of that bike to time. Base it on miles travelled. Set a distance that you ride that bike for then, once that goal is reached, feel free to upgrade. Ride the Kawasaki with discipline, as you would the F4.
Stay safe & take care.
What distance should you ride the Kawasaki?
My advice would be at least 8,000 miles.
You'd be surprised how soon you get there.
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Risk analysis

Big probability of hurting yourself and third party.

By virtue of the fact that you are asking the question
you already know the answer.

How would you feel if the next time you get on airplane they tell you at check in that the pilot had five hours in a Cessna 152 ?

Slowly slowly catch a monkey ; )

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Hi everyone. For those who dont already know Ive been thinking about getting an F4. Though theres something I didnt mention specifically to avoid what I think you're all going to tell me as many people have. Only experience I have is on mopeds.

So is a litre bike like an F4 too much for a first bike? I do see why pretty much everyone says I will kill myself. I get it, it goes from 0 to very fast in mere seconds and all it takes is someting like a wrong twist of the throttle.

But, and I know others have probably said this before, but can't I just be careful, ride maturely and safely and still get this bike. I would be inclined to do so if only because of the price of an F4 let alone my safety. Where do you all stand on this? Do you think there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY I should get one?
With the greatest of respect, you are seriously saying that your two wheeled experience is based on time spent riding a moped?

You are asking would it be a good idea if you went from riding a moped to a very focused 1000cc superbike with around 170bhp and capable of nearly 190 mph.............

Are you are being for real:-
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I am going to say go for it, you want an F4 buy it In my country(spain) this would not be posible, we have to have some years of experience before being able to drive a 100cv+ bike.
you want it to make it more forgivven to you? you can make changes to the bike, use a smaller tire on the rear, 180 or 170 and buy a microtec ecu and ask chrish(xbikes) to make you a detuned map for you. buy some good protectors for forks and frame(chasis), buy and extra fairing(cheap) and keep the original for better times.....
But be aware that insurance is going to be a nightmare...

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I am going to say go for it, you want an F4 buy it In my country(spain) this would not be posible, we have to have some years of experience before being able to drive a 100cv+ bike.
you want it to make it more forgivven to you? you can make changes to the bike, use a smaller tire on the rear, 180 or 170 and buy a microtec ecu and ask chrish(xbikes) to make you a detuned map for you. buy some good protectors for forks and frame(chasis), buy and extra fairing(cheap) and keep the original for better times.....
But be aware that insurance is going to be a nightmare...

regards
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PD: if you kill yourself, dont blame me

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