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ADMIN HELP*!Tracing a bike back in the Registry for history

For all the admins here, Is there anyway to trace an MV back to the original owner in the registry?
Here is my problem, I just took possession of an 07 R that was sold to me as flawless never wrecked, not a scratch, never in rain etc. The bike was shipped from TX to NC and it has been in my garage for less than 12 hours. After getting the bike in the garage, I discovered that not only had the bike been down on the left side, but it had been repaired as well. Also find out the seller says he bought the bike with 3900 miles on it and was told by the dealer he bought it from that it was perfect.
The person who sold it to me is a member of the forum, and the bike is in the registry under his name. Can you tell me from the vin(I will pm it to you) who the fist owner was? here is a cut from the registry

Number of owners: 2
From: Plano, TX, US
Color: Charcoal/ Silver
Vin: ######
Odometer: 3912 mi

(obviously only if the first owner was a member of the forum, and registered the bike) so that I might be able to prove that this didn't happen in my possession.

Thanks for any help you may be able to lend.
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Ian...is there a service like Car Fax for motorcycles?

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Dang.
I'm not aware of any way to access the entire owner history of an MV through the registry.
I don't live in the USA but can you request a title trace from an appropriate government or state department? Or use Chuck's suggestion above.

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Ian, by way of employment, I am an auto dealer,so I might actually know what I'm talking about here. As a practical matter, it doesn't matter as to the chain of ownership on your bike. Who wrecked it does not matter. Your only recourse (if you have any at all) is via the person that sold it to you. The apparent fact that your seller was misinformed by the previous dealer has no bearing.

The seller chose to represent the bike as undamaged, and you chose to accept his representation. At least one of you (you for sure, and the seller quite possibly) didn't verify the facts. If your seller is of high moral character, he may choose to take the bike back or make a financial concession to you, based on the Golden Rule, but I'm guessing legally, you don't have much to stand on. Caveat emptor.

I have unknowingly sold many a vehicle with damage during my career. In every case, I make no claim whatsoever as to the crash damage condition, because I frequently just don't know of any damage. I've always offered the opportunity for my customer to have the vehicle inspected prior to delivery.

All of that being said, I've refunded a purchase or made a concession in price many times over a 35 year career. In my book, it's the right thing to do morally, and makes good business sense in the long run. Happy customers are better for business. If you are dealing with an individual that is several hundred miles from you that is not employed professionally in the motorcycle sales business, then their since of fairness is the only litmus test that applies.

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Ian...is there a service like Car Fax for motorcycles?
no, carfax has some random motorcycle records if they were reported, but they have no solid database
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Perhaps you should contact the forum member you bought it from. If I understand your post, he bought it from the dealer with 3900 miles on it and sold it to you with 3912 miles on it?

You've had the bike less than 12 hours and you noticed the damage, it is unlikely the previous owner was unaware of the damage when he sold it to you.
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yes, talk to the man,,and I feel like getting back on a plane to the States now and buying a car off Randy.. : )

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Is the bike gloss black and went though the Charlotte dealership? Is the body of the fairing tilted toward the right side? Is the front fender cracked? If so I might be able to help you. In NC if a bike was damaged beyond 25% of it value you are by law to disclaim it as repaired, unlike the Ga. laws. Mark.

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Is the bike gloss black and went though the Charlotte dealership? Is the body of the fairing tilted toward the right side? Is the front fender cracked? If so I might be able to help you. In NC if a bike was damaged beyond 25% of it value you are by law to disclaim it as repaired, unlike the Ga. laws. Mark.
Unfortunately Bob no, I bought it from Texas on eBay auction and it was shipped here so I don't think the North Carolina rules apply but good to know
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