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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 09-23-2011, 10:35 PM Thread Starter
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F4 Generations

On a nother thread I said somethin about the 2010+ F4 being a new generation of F4, so I got to thinking about all the different Generations of F4.

Here it is:

1st Gen: 98-04 with the 750cc moto (there were the whole EVO II and EVO III, not sure if you would call it different generations)

2nd Gen: 05-08 new 998cc motors
05-06 "S" model
07 R model
08 312R

3rd Gen: 09 1078 with the 312RR

4th Gen: 2010+ back to 998cc motor although different from 3rd Gen and redesigned.

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There are also the TSS models, (Tamburini and Veltro) which are, I suppose, a slight variation on the 998cc motor. But as these are both limited edition models of what you have described as 2nd generation perhaps they could be referred to as 2a in your catalog.


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The Veltro and the Tamburini had the same motor? I thought that the Veltro had a similar motor to the Senna.

Generation 2Alpha I like that.

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The Veltro and the Tamburini had the same motor?
That isn't what I said. I believe the Veltro engines produced more HP than the Tamburini bikes, I was referring to the Torque Shift Sytem (TSS) that is unique to both of these models in the F4 range to date.


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Hi John, the F4CC also has the Torque Shift System.

Interestingly, I believe that the 1000R uses the Senna as it's base model as evidenced by the ECU they both share. This ECU is referred to here as the 5SM and the Senna predates the 1000R as it was the first MV Agusta to be sold with this new engine management system. The 5SM ECU superseded the 16M ECU found on the 1000S & Tamburini.
I think that one way of categorizing the MV F4 range would be based on the engine management system, buy it's not the only way of doing it I'm sure.
Hope that helps untangle things a little.
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[QUOTE=The_castle;474986]Hi John, the F4CC also has the Torque Shift System.

Interestingly, I believe that the 1000R uses the Senna as it's base model as evidenced by the ECU they both share. This ECU is referred to here as the 5SM and the Senna predates the 1000R as it was the first MV Agusta to be sold with this new engine management system. The 5SM ECU superseded the 16M ECU found on the 1000S & Tamburini.
I think that one way of categorizing the MV F4 range would be based on the engine management system, buy it's not the only way of doing it I'm sure.
Hope that helps untangle things a little.
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Haven't all y10 models have the torque shift system standard now also?
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Hi John, the F4CC also has the Torque Shift System.

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How could I forget the CC Dave!Lol


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Hi John, the F4CC also has the Torque Shift System.

Interestingly, I believe that the 1000R uses the Senna as it's base model as evidenced by the ECU they both share. This ECU is referred to here as the 5SM and the Senna predates the 1000R as it was the first MV Agusta to be sold with this new engine management system. The 5SM ECU superseded the 16M ECU found on the 1000S & Tamburini.
I think that one way of categorizing the MV F4 range would be based on the engine management system, buy it's not the only way of doing it I'm sure.
Hope that helps untangle things a little.
Dave.[/QUOT

Haven't all y10 models have the torque shift system standard now also?
Yes, but I hear that it gets stuck.

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On a nother thread I said somethin about the 2010+ F4 being a new generation of F4, so I got to thinking about all the different Generations of F4.
I consider them as follows (this is my personal categorisation)
Major Generations:
First generation - 750cc Bikes
Second Generation - 1000 and 1078cc (Bikes to 2009)
Third Generation - 2010 bikes and beyond.

Within each generation there are sub-categories
First Generation: 3 iterations up to Evo III
Second Generation: 4 iterations, 1000S, 1000R, 1000R312 1078RR
Third Generation: 2 iterations (so far)...

The specials such as the 750SPR, 1000 Ago, Taburini, CC, Veltro etc are often specials of the main models introducing a newer version or just plain a limited edition - this isn't to belittle these specials, but they are usually a means of trialling newer special parts that eventually filter into the regular models. For Example, the 750SPR became the Evo III, the 1000 Ago became the 1000S, the 1000 Senna was the basis of the 1000R, the CC was the trail of the 1087 motor which became the 312RR.

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I'd say 99-09 1st gen, 10+ 2nd gen.

Minor differences do not a generation make.

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