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Selling a bike (from US) to an International (Australia) Buyer

Hello MV peeps:

I have a bike that I'm selling (not an MV) and there is someone in Australia who is very interested in purchasing it. I don't know him, but his membership, message history and PM's to me on another forum suggests he is legit. In other words, my "scam" radar is silent, and I'm comfortable with the idea.

I have never been part of any International vehicle exchange before and wanted to know if any one of you guys have any insight or suggestions on the due diligence towards completing a smooth transaction (particularly an import into Australia).

The bike I'm selling still has a little money owed to the Bank, and so therefore that has to be paid off before a Lien-free Title is issued.

We are thinking about using: http://www.geezers.com.au/import.php

Any help is most appreciate ... thanks!
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Well, If it's a bike that isn't special and isn't difficult to obtain in Australia..it kinda begs the question from the buyers perspective, why bother with all the hassle, the cost of importing, the red tape and expense of registering in Oz ? However not to pour cold water on the idea, if it is something rare /sought after it makes sense.

What would you do if he received it and then started giving you a hard time over something to do with the bike..Could be unpleasant and difficult to deal with. Can you not sell your bike to someone in Cal. ? Has he an agent over in Cal. who could inspect the bike prior to the deal being struck ?

I once sold a bike to a Belgian guy. He came over to UK..Inspected the bike and then gave me the money..I much prefer that way ...

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THanks for the response Joe. It's a very special bike. That's the reason for all the hassle.



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You can bring any bike into Aus for show or track, the million dollar question is can you register it here?

I've met the chaps from Geezers, nice guys. They are certainly a go for pre 1989 bikes.

Good luck with anything else. I tried to call a Senna a special bike...... apparently its not special enough
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I would suggest that the enquiry is genuine, as the strength of the Australia dollar makes everything very attractive to us. I know a few people who are importing boats, exotic car and everything in between. There is no risk from your end as if you do not first get paid you do not send the bike, the risk is with the buyer!
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I just imported a 1975 MV 125s from Germany to Australia. I used 'mainfrieght' they are brilliant & specialise in US to Aus imports.

What Rob said above is correct - pre-1989 easy enough - if it post 1989 he will run into major hurdles some of which may be insurmountable.

Anyhow, I made a trip out of mine took my son (16) & we 'road tripped' - I paid the guy cash on delivery that way we were both happy & no real trust was necessary. Took the bike to Italy & shipped it from there - I just got notice this morning that it will arrive in Australia Jan 1 - probably take a few weeks to get thru Customs in the holiday period. Can't wait to get my baby into my MV shrine (aka garage) and become part of the family - ah I digress---lol

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I've imported four bikes from The USA to New Zealand. I'll not be able to comment on the Aussie laws on registration but I you may find this helpful:
It's a trust based transaction and no two transactions will be the same.
1. Method of payment I prefer bank transfer. I use our workplace account as it's not unusual to save a few hundred dollars in transaction fees & locking in a much more favourable exchange rate than a bank will offer.
2. Bill of sale You'll need to draft a bill of sale, signed by both parties.

Here is the template I use:

BILL OF SALE

FOR VALUE RECEIVED, the undersigned, Name: XXXXX of Full Address & zip code: XXXXXX (Seller) hereby sells and transfers unto (my name & address & postal code) XXXXXXX (Buyer), and its successors and assigns forever, the following described Motorcycle for a total sum of $XX,XXX US Dollars as full and final payment.
(Motorcycle description / year of manufacture)One (1), XXXXXXXX
Motorcycle VIN# XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Seller warrants and represents that he holds the valid State (e.g.: California) Title and registration to said property. The seller has full authority to sell the said motorcycle and it is being sold free and clear of all, liabilities and adverse claims, of every nature and description.

It is provided, however, that the undersigned seller disclaims any implied warranty of condition, merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose. The remainder of the manufactures warranty will be transferred to the buyer.

Signed on this date: .

In the presence of: ____________________________ [Witness]

_________________________________________________
Seller
_________________________________________________
Buyer

3. Title validation. It is the responsibility of the buyer to pay for the title check to be completed. It's around $150 USD. Each time I have purchased a bike from the USA the title is sent to California to ensure that no lien is owing and the seller has the right to sell the bike (not stolen). There is no way that bike will legally leave the US border without that confirmation. Once cleared the title is sent to the transporter and held separate from the bike with all associated paperwork in the ships manifest.
It will arrive in Australia and I have no idea how the Aussie customs system works.
4. Bike preparation You'll save the buyer money & time by ensuring the bike is very clean and has an empty fuel tank. Fuel must be removed to avoid the bike being declared hazardous goods and incurring extra shipping costs. You're shipping a bike top a foreign country. In Australia’s case they have strict rules on protecting their environment. Any dirt / contamination / animal life will result in charges to clean the bike - probably with a hot water blaster. Don't give them an excuse to do that.

5. Independent bike inspection As the buyer I almost always insist on and pay for an independent appraisal of the bikes condition. I'd be surprised if the buyer didn't do that.

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The most important thing re importing a bike is to get a Permit to Import. Information on importing requirements and restrictions, including vehicle registration and the procedures to get the permit, can be found at: http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roa...les/index.aspx

If the vehicle arrives without the permit then it may be kept in storage (for an often hefty fee) or it may be returned to it's port of origin, both at the expense of the importer.

As has been stated, pre 1989 bikes are no probs. With post 1989 there can be problems getting the vehicle registered for road use. The Australian authorities are apparently getting quite strict on vehicles which appear as pre 1989 but are in fact brand new. This is predominantly related to hot rods/customs and vehicles with non standard modifications (engine, wheels, suspension etc) but can extend to bikes.

Once all is sorted re importing and registering the bike, then the bike preparation and packaging needs to be addressed. The bike should be fuel, battery and oil free - no fuel in tank or carbies, battery removed and preferably engine oil removed (tape on the tank indicating 'no fuel', 'no oil' wouldn't hurt). The bike should also be clean meaning no vegetation or dirt can be seen as Australia's quarantine laws are very strict and if the quarantine officials aren't satisfied then the bike will be required to go through a high pressure clean by an approved company which can result in damage to paint, bearings, water in carbies etc.

When crating the bike no timber products should be used as these will require the vehicle to go through treatment to prevent any insects, parasites, etc coming into the country. It is best to use a steel framed crate and perhaps wrap it in cardboard. (note: documentation that timber products have been suitably fumigated prior to departure from port of origin may result in the crateing not requiring fumigation in Australia but it's just easier to have no timber). Pictures attached for a little MV I imported about a year ago. Also a bit of irony in the final pic.

Having said all that there is still no guarantee that fumigation or cleaning won't be required just that it reduces the likelihood and thus the hassles and the costs.
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The most important thing re importing a bike is to get a Permit to Import. Information on importing requirements and restrictions, including vehicle registration and the procedures to get the permit, can be found at: www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/importing_vehicles/index.aspx

If the vehicle arrives without the permit then it may be kept in storage (for an often hefty fee) or it may be returned to it's port of origin, both at the expense of the importer.

As has been stated, pre 1989 bikes are no probs. With post 1989 there can be problems getting the vehicle registered for road use. The Australian authorities are apparently getting quite strict on vehicles which appear as pre 1989 but are in fact brand new. This is predominantly related to hot rods/customs and vehicles with non standard modifications (engine, wheels, suspension etc) but can extend to bikes.

Once all is sorted re importing and registering the bike, then the bike preparation and packaging needs to be addressed. The bike should be fuel, battery and oil free - no fuel in tank or carbies, battery removed and preferably engine oil removed (tape on the tank indicating 'no fuel', 'no oil' wouldn't hurt). The bike should also be clean meaning no vegetation or dirt can be seen as Australia's quarantine laws are very strict and if the quarantine officials aren't satisfied then the bike will be required to go through a high pressure clean by an approved company which can result in damage to paint, bearings, water in carbies etc.

When crating the bike no timber products should be used as these will require the vehicle to go through treatment to prevent any insects, parasites, etc coming into the country. It is best to use a steel framed crate and perhaps wrap it in cardboard. (note: documentation that timber products have been suitably fumigated prior to departure from port of origin may result in the crateing not requiring fumigation in Australia but it's just easier to have no timber). Pictures attached for a little MV I imported about a year ago. Also a bit of irony in the final pic.

Having said all that there is still no guarantee that fumigation or cleaning won't be required just that it reduces the likelihood and thus the hassles and the costs.
+1 emmevi125s & Rob_b on the pre '89 bikes.

If the bike is post '89 you will need import approval as specified in the link above and current processing time for applications is +6 weeks (I have an import in progress). I sourced a used steel based and framed crate from a bike shop, had a plywood top fitted, then had it export wrapped. Even then, it may still be fumigated, because the steel crate I bought was kept outside and water had got in to it (advice from shipping co.) Treated wood crates are generally stamped on the outside to identify treatment, but a steel crate is the way to go, because there will be no flex in the base when it is loaded/unloaded, and will maintain its structural integrity after AQIS (Quarantine) open it for inspection. Check this AQIS link on import preparation:

http://www.daff.gov.au/aqis/import/v...motor-vehicles

The only other thing I'd say is make sure you cover yourself in the contract of sale against all the hidden extras: import duty, AQIS inspection fees, dock unloading fees in Australia, valuation fees (if required), fumigation fees (yes they charge you for fumigation if required!), customs brokerage fees. Also make sure the onus is on the buyer to have the relevant permits and approvals in order, as if it is not then the authorities will either ship it back (at whose expense?), or scrap it.

Good luck with the sale!

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THanks for the response Joe. It's a very special bike. That's the reason for all the hassle.



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Yes, it makes sense then..and as posted the risk is mainly for him..

best of luck with your sale..

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