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post #21 of 41 (permalink) Old 10-11-2019, 08:33 AM
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I have my worries about one or the other decision that Sardarov took so far, but I am actually glad that the company has successfully overcome the Castiglioni jr. era. And as written above: If SV800 and B4 are taken as the first indicators, there are also things that definitely go into the right direction.

Castiglioni had it all in his hands and made very little out of it. The fact that Daimler through AMG invested in MV Agusta could have been the ticket into stable financials and the access to all kinds of technology as well as a sales & logistics network. And this chance was not the clever efforts of GC, but just the fact that Audi purchased Ducati when they had just agreed to cooperate with AMG. In anxiety that both Audi and BMW now had big two wheel names under their umbrella, they went for MVA. One may like Audi or not, but they put Lamborghini back on track, and so did they with Ducati. The red's 48 hour spare part guarantee is only possible through the logistics know how of their parent company.

What did MV Agusta do under regency of GC? He clouded the company's real financial situation by misusing employees' tax deductibles to pay suppliers while still paying 500.000 to himself for his outstanding performance as CEO. Some personal tax issues did the rest for AMG to simply sit it out and wait for the first buyer to take over. Now MV Agusta has fresh capital, but the access to the tech and network of Daimler is gone, so MV has to shoulder it all by themselves, while their competition in the Italian premium segment can all leverage their owners' power in many ways (Audi, Kawa, Piaggio).
Very interesting, thanks for sharing. Im agree in everything.

Im sad because I dont want to see a chinese MV, It is like prostitute the brand and MV heritage. Im bored to see chinese/taiwanese BMWs who manufaturing Loncin and Kymco, Taiwanese Kawasaki (J125/J300) who manufacturin Kymco, and other sad examples. I Prefere the way who took Ducati or KTM.

We will see, if sell chinese MVs helps to keep running the factory and we can keep running our bikes, and maybe they sell some "top grade" examples of bikes to be proud of own, maybe there will be good news, but I not sure.
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Maybe in this day and age a cheaper bike is the way to go... At the very least to get a new segment of buyers interested in motorcycles again!!

Look at how amazing the Grom has done for Honda, or the Scrambler for Ducati.
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From what I read, the 25,000 target is over the course of this 5 year plan which is 5,000 units per year and completely within reach since they sell ~2,500 units per year already. Essentially, doubling their production numbers.

They partnered with Loncin and lending its design prowess and knowledge in exchange for Loncin's manufacturing capabilities for the midrange bikes. Basically, making a deal with the devil.

https://www.visordown.com/news/indus...kes-loncin-tie

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The only constant is change. I have hope for a quality Houston, TX dealer given this is the 4th largest city in USA.

Financial strength is extremely important. More important is quality leadership, management, vision and execution.

The motorcycle market is incredibly competitive, yet MV does have a unique brand.
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From what I read, the 25,000 target is over the course of this 5 year plan which is 5,000 units per year and completely within reach since they sell ~2,500 units per year already. Essentially, doubling their production numbers.

They partnered with Loncin and lending its design prowess and knowledge in exchange for Loncin's manufacturing capabilities for the midrange bikes. Basically, making a deal with the devil.

https://www.visordown.com/news/indus...kes-loncin-tie
They already produce 5000 bikes a year now.

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From what I read, the 25,000 target is over the course of this 5 year plan which is 5,000 units per year and completely within reach since they sell ~2,500 units per year already. Essentially, doubling their production numbers.

They partnered with Loncin and lending its design prowess and knowledge in exchange for Loncin's manufacturing capabilities for the midrange bikes. Basically, making a deal with the devil.

https://www.visordown.com/news/indus...kes-loncin-tie
Who said that the Chinese bikes were for your market? China is a huge market that is untapped and cannot be ignored in this age.

Also the worst thing for a design house like CRC is to lay idle and have their designers bored.

If they are consulting for companies in between the MV products, they are keeping up with changes in technology and ultimately keeping their designers relevant, happy and the company profitable.

I understand that it is 5 years to get to 25 000 bikes per year. This has always been Bordi's plan for the brand way back in 2011.

With Bordi back at the helm and massive capital backing, I have serious faith in MV's success.

Truly exciting times for MV.
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@PTsalas: I agree that one goal should be to keep the design and development people busy at MVA. However, when it comes to the engineering part, I see a couple of tasks that should be given priority over doing design and development jobs for the Chinese.

Of course, the Loncin job will create revenue, while updating the three cylinder range creates cost and deferred revenue when the products are on the market. But there are some things that just cannot be prolonged any more. The fact that MV Agusta was one of the first to integrate IMU into their bikes and now they do not even have cornering ABS on their 2020 new models. That needs to be fixed.

But Euro 5 is just around the corner and MV should not again try to rely on being given an exemption waiver for exotics as they did with Euro 4. The authorities so far stated that only small series of up to 75 units will be given such.
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@PTsalas: I agree that one goal should be to keep the design and development people busy at MVA. However, when it comes to the engineering part, I see a couple of tasks that should be given priority over doing design and development jobs for the Chinese.

Of course, the Loncin job will create revenue, while updating the three cylinder range creates cost and deferred revenue when the products are on the market. But there are some things that just cannot be prolonged any more. The fact that MV Agusta was one of the first to integrate IMU into their bikes and now they do not even have cornering ABS on their 2020 new models. That needs to be fixed.

But Euro 5 is just around the corner and MV should not again try to rely on being given an exemption waiver for exotics as they did with Euro 4. The authorities so far stated that only small series of up to 75 units will be given such.
Correct me if I'm wrong, it is CRC doing design work for Loncin and not the engine or electronics departments of MV Agusta. Regardless, pretty sure it is the accountants that have hindered cornering ABS being implemented and not the guy designing the fairings on the Chinese bikes. Similarly to why the F3 still has a halogen headlight and archaic dash.
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Fair point, if it is the design folks who will be busy with Loncin, whereas the engineers focus their capacity on MV Agusta, then it makes sense.

On the accountant's influence: To some extent , yes. But overall there are some signs that they have trouble keeping up their self-dictated development speed. The cornering ABS on the new B4 Brutale was not ready on the first magazine tests. The concept of the supercharged F3 has not been seen so far, even though promised for summer. Maybe they will show it at EICMA. I am not blaming them, the schedule is extremely ambitious.

But some decisions can hardly be reasoned with procurement cost considerations: LED lights today are hardly more expensive than halogen, you just need to assign a supplier to build them in form you need them. On TFT screens it is even easier as most it is a quadric screen, which just needs a simple plastic casing. The work would be to program a nice graphical user interface. Especially when it comes to the F3, the Japanese and Triumph have shown the path for the middleclass sportsbikes. Neither the R6, the Daytona 765 nor the ZX-6R are really new bikes. They either updated the surface or put a new engine in the existing chassis. The time of radical new middleweight designs is over as these machines sell miserable. And this would IMO be the immediate task for MV as well. Get the 930cc EURO 5 engine ready and put it in the existing chassis with some tweaks to the supply parts (new gen Brembo, Bosch 9.1MP, LED and dash).
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The only worry I have is the new Russian owner with all his wealth could get bored and move on, with all his millions (billions?) in tow....lets keep our fingers crossed that all will be well and wish them all the best for the future, its the way of the world now.
I believe the strategy for Sardarov will be "pump and dump". At first I thought Sardarov bought into MV in order to have another conversation piece for his buddies but now I do think the move was much more clever. He may have realized that Castiglioni will not do much for MV so Sardarov has made him an offer that was hard to refuse.

The next step for Sardarov is to stabilize the brand and try to position it at the very top market level. The Oro and the upcoming F4 should get him there, especially since most of the new models are very limited production. Thus MV becomes a top tier boutique brand. The final step is to find a Chinese or possibly an Indian buyer and unload the brand at a hefty profit. There are very few if any premium motorcycle brands left in the world that aren't already part of the conglomerate groups and when Sardarov will offer MV up for grabs, there will be fewer left still.
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