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Again Brutale R Pipes. Recomendation

Hi Guys, one last recomendation I would like to give is always, mean always, check the vacuum level after installing the new pipes on the brutale R. This is of high importance after installing the pipe and the new chip, as it affects significantly the smooth primarly in the transition from low to mid revs and from mid revs to high revs.
After rechecking them myself last friday I found cylinder 3 and 2 vaccum level to be down compared with 1 and 4, primarly the 3rd. After putting them alined, with the most sensitive possible, I found a new bike.
Now I can say the bike runs really well, powerfull from 2000rpms up to +12000. It becomes dificult to keep the front wheel down up until 3rd gear.
I am running with 100 ron fuel or 98 ron, and the CO% measured at 1150rpms/1170 rpms is 4.5%
TPS is at 2.1
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Whoa James, that's an impressive image. What RPM? I generally look for <1cm Hg from idle to 4,000 but only find a couple of spots where everything comes together like that.
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Hi Guys, one last recomendation I would like to give is always, mean always, check the vacuum level after installing the new pipes on the brutale R. This is of high importance after installing the pipe and the new chip, as it affects significantly the smooth primarly in the transition from low to mid revs and from mid revs to high revs.
After rechecking them myself last friday I found cylinder 3 and 2 vaccum level to be down compared with 1 and 4, primarly the 3rd. After putting them alined, with the most sensitive possible, I found a new bike.
Now I can say the bike runs really well, powerfull from 2000rpms up to +12000. It becomes dificult to keep the front wheel down up until 3rd gear.
I am running with 100 ron fuel or 98 ron, and the CO% measured at 1150rpms/1170 rpms is 4.5%
TPS is at 2.1
You have done that yourself, Manuel?
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Hi Miguel if you want to know if it was done by FMS the answer is no.
I took the bike to a shop where I could find a vacuum analiser, digital, linked the vacuum pipes to the machine and easily set up the vacuum level.
It was a ducati "specialist" shop. Has there wasnt the MV software we did measure the tps in mv, compared to Ducati table and if you check the ducaris before the new generation used the sema magneti marenelli 1.6 as our Mvs does and the voltage found was precisely 2.1.
So after checking the TPS (voltage) gone to the vacuum and finally the CO%.
These are really easy steps if you have those pieces of hardware, if you dont like me, just find a place who has.
If you need more info please phone me or send message. Will be nice if I can help you.
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Hi Miguel if you want to know if it was done by FMS the answer is no.
I took the bike to a shop where I could find a vacuum analiser, digital, linked the vacuum pipes to the machine and easily set up the vacuum level.
It was a ducati "specialist" shop. Has there wasnt the MV software we did measure the tps in mv, compared to Ducati table and if you check the ducaris before the new generation used the sema magneti marenelli 1.6 as our Mvs does and the voltage found was precisely 2.1.
So after checking the TPS (voltage) gone to the vacuum and finally the CO%.
These are really easy steps if you have those pieces of hardware, if you dont like me, just find a place who has.
If you need more info please phone me or send message. Will be nice if I can help you.
Thanks for the tips and help offer
I may check that, one of this days and i will surely do it if, when, i install an open exhaust. I'll give you a call when before i do it.

And it's not Miguel, but Tiago
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Sorry Tiago for that rude mistake.
Phone whenever u need.
When you come up North call we always have time for an expresso!
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Sorry Tiago for that rude mistake.
Phone whenever u need.
When you come up North call we always have time for an expresso!
Hahahah, no problem

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You do the same when you come down here
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I envy the engine aptitude of many on this list. I am wondering if my 910r suffers for this attention. As posted on another thread, my bike cuts out when coming to a stop or just idling. It usually make a hiccup sound, recovers and then repeats without the recovery. It is getting worse over time and I have a call into the dealer, who tell me that 2 others have reported the behavior following chip installation.

Should I suspect that vacuum levels are out of sync and should I send this guidance to the dealer? They tell me that they are seeking assistance from MV, but I have not heard back from them.

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Whoa James, that's an impressive image. What RPM? I generally look for <1cm Hg from idle to 4,000 but only find a couple of spots where everything comes together like that.

Although I don't really experiment much anymore - when I first got all the gear I did quite a lot. I wanted to know what did what exactly.

I've found that TPS is really a rare adjustment if ever.
I set up the throttle body balancer and exhaust analyzer together to watch the CO while balancing and get it as close as possible without messing with the ECU POT.
Once I'm happy the balance, idle and CO are as close as possible I move to the ECU POT.

I've found on these bikes, 750 or 1000, if you get everything right at idle and at fast idle it is great throughout. I used to closely watch at high revs and at changing revs but to me it makes little to no difference - and believe me I've done this quite a number of times on a few different bikes

Here I was bringing #3 in line. I do often end up with #1 or #4 very slightly different than the rest no matter how careful I am at filter/airbox/trumpet assembly..I just can't get them in line and still stay in range with the bypass screws.


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