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Just Took A Ride - WOW, but the suspension is STIFF

First, a big thank you to this forum and the very helpful replies I've received on my earlier post - (AARP cardholder) - that I started a day or so ago.

I finally got to take a very brief ride on the 910S and it was a revelation. Quite a difference from my more recent rides.

The issue is the suspension. I'm old and my body doesn't move like it used to. I was very surprised by the stiffness of the ride. Little bumps in the road, that were nearly unnoticed on my other bike, felt like I was moving in and out of potholes. Although the bike made me laugh out loud, I was becomming concerned that after an hour or so I'd reach my comfort limit. That would be a shame.

Is my experience unusual, and can the suspension be adjusted to work with a less aggressive response? I'm 5'8" (almost) and fat, 190 or so in riding gear.

Another surprise were the brakes. I've read that the Nissan brakes aren't quite as good as the upgraded ones on the R, but they were pretty impressive for me. What I didn't expect was that when braking a bit aggressively (no where near full panic mode) the rear end just started rising into a "stoppie". I backed off a bit, and all was fine, but was glad that I had taken my heart medication earlier that morning!

Finally, I had a bit of trouble with the throttle, getting a lot more accelerate than I expected given a very modest movement of the right hand. It was quite a site watching my test ride. Wheelies on takeoff, bumps down the road moving me up and out of the seat, and stoppies on the way back down. While I enjoyed the sensations, it made we wonder if my initial post's question was the key to my future ownership - "Am I getting in over my head?"

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Quick notes:
Rear going into a "stoppie". Reduce rebound damping.
General firmness of suspension. Reduce compression damping.
There is no doubt that your Brutale suspension can be made to work as you would like. It may involve taking your bike to a suspension specialist.
Check the manual and return the settings to standard (compression and rebound & praload). Ride the bike on the same road as before for feedback,
There are many variables that can be adjusted. These include: oil viscosity & oil level, dampimg adjustment, the shim stacks, the spring rate, preload and the list goes on....
Normally I'd only change suspension settings if the bike is doing something that scares me. In this case idt appears that it's detracting from the general use of the bike. That's not as common.
If you do make changes to your settings it's a good idea to write down the changes, in case you make things worse.
One last tip: In the case of rebound adjustment, more often than not: "Less is more" That means that you want to reduce rebound damping to allow the suspension to push the shocks back into the road after compression.
Good luck and ride safe.
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I suppose, like anything new, a bit of getting used to it is required. Once you have settled into the MV response to rider inputs, you'll adjust your riding habits accordingly. I suspect many more smiles with many more miles are in order. The suspension is a great topic of discussion on here. It can be adjusted.

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One last thought on rider weight. Heavier riders (I'm heavier than 200 pounds and 6 foot 3) will often "blow through" the plush / softer stroke of the suspension into the progressively firmer part of the suspension. This applies more to the rear suspension. This makes the suspension generally feel significantly firmer.
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I'm 180lbs and had to soften the suspension from the factory settings. Never had to do this on any bike in my lifetime, usually I'm stiffing it from factory settings

Take the return spring off the throttle linkage, it eases the touchy throttle a bit.

Nissins are plenty strong for me, actually their quite forgiving if you not smooth with the application

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Because I'm on my third Bass ale, I have nothing of a technical nature to contribute.

However; the Brutale is an attitude ride. You can't get on it and expect that since you are sitting upright it is going to be a comfortable cruise. It is a brawler's motorcycle and needs to be ridden that way.

There are many things you can do to adjust the suspension as Dave eloquently pointed out. You can drop down a couple of teeth on the rear sprocket to remove some of that "lots of response with very little throttle input" feeling.

But in the end the Brutale is most at home when you get on it with the attitude you are going out to kick some ass and ride it aggressively. If that is not you, no worries. Buy a different bike, but do stick around here. We like your posts.

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Because I'm on my third Bass ale, I have nothing of a technical nature to contribute.

However; the Brutale is an attitude ride. You can't get on it and expect that since you are sitting upright it is going to be a comfortable cruise. It is a brawler's motorcycle and needs to be ridden that way.

There are many things you can do to adjust the suspension as Dave eloquently pointed out. You can drop down a couple of teeth on the rear sprocket to remove some of that "lots of response with very little throttle input" feeling.

But in the end the Brutale is most at home when you get on it with the attitude you are going out to kick some ass and ride it aggressively. If that is not you, no worries. Buy a different bike, but do stick around here. We like your posts.

Well said Cag , that,s why i have several bikes in the garage , for relaxing rides , i will stick with my bonnie , for thrashing the Brutale is my best friend , and for showing of what carbon can do, i take the F4
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Not too sure what value I can add, but here's my experience so far...

I bought a 910R around 6 weeks ago now & it felt extremely different to what I was used to riding.
The first thing I did was to get it to someone who knows the suspension and had it 'set up' for me, they also adjusted the throttle response as when you progressively rolled it on, it seemed to be nothing, nothing, nothing, EVERYTHING!!! Kind of scary, but wierdly exhilerating...

Now, with me getting used to the bike, the suspension (which is now comfortable on 4+ hour rides), the much improved throttle response & the way in which it chooses to exhert its personality (I'm sure it is alive...), I simply have never had as much fun.

Not sure if this helps, but I had some similar concerns regarding comfort before buying, although at 185cm & almost 100kgs, mine were more around simply fitting such a small bike. Again, no concerns now.

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Timely thread.
I've put on 2,000km on my 910R since I bought it near new in January. It was very stiff indeed and a little bit rough on the throttle.
I just picked it up this morning from Motorcycle Weaponry where they spent time on the suspension and throttle settings. The job card reads : "Road test, remove and strip forks and inspect, calculate spring rate and preload, make up different preload spacers and change fork oil to 5w 100... air gap, refit and adjust, road test and adjust both ends" then " Set up TPS and throttle body Balance and idle CO to eliminate flat spot..."

Whatever they did, it worked wonders. I took the bike on a notoriously rough road (down to Akuna Bay through the park); the difference in ride quality and throttle response was nothing short of amazing.
Goes to show, the gear is fine, it's all about set up. I guess every bike and every rider is different; luckily Steve who did the work is the same size I am, around the 90kg mark.
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Because I'm on my third Bass ale, I have nothing of a technical nature to contribute.
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