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post #11 of 23 (permalink) Old 10-10-2019, 10:05 AM
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I can understand budget reasons for doing things. But the shock is crap for the track in it's stock form and there's no way around that. A re-valve and spring change drastically changes the behavior and is a good budget upgrade if that's all you can do.

Also IIRC the forks can't be re-valved because of how the internal design is. You're pretty much limited to a spring change.

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We can all debate what is or isn't crap on the bike. But i assure you, ride a F3 with quality suspension VS a bike with the stock stuff, and it is mind blowing the difference in the confidence and feedback quality suspension will provide.


As for the statement, well if you have money to blow remark, honestly this bike should of came with FGRT forks and a TTX shock, not to mention an adjustable steering damper for the price they cost. Hell even some Showa BPF or something updated would of been a nice touch.
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A shock re-valve and new spring should be top of the list for the track. The extra money blown on new fork cartridge or all-new suspension would be wasted. You're better off spending that money on some lighter wheels and lighter body parts.
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A shock re-valve and new spring should be top of the list for the track. The extra money blown on new fork cartridge or all-new suspension would be wasted. You're better off spending that money on some lighter wheels and lighter body parts.

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I think the adreani fork cartridge is about the cheap route on the forks $600, that's what i went with. And they are still not better or even on par with my stock 675R ohlins.
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The extra money blown on new fork cartridge or all-new suspension would be wasted. You're better off spending that money on some lighter wheels and lighter body parts.
Now that is funny I don't care who you are that is some funny stuff right there!

Stock F3 forks are not damped or sprung correctly because the valving and spring rate don't seem to be matched up very well. Basically the rebound, no one is home...

Carts or better forks are not a waste of money. Unless you are such a slow rider that suspension make no difference at all. You would have to really suck or have no skills to believe that. Changing the suspension to work correctly for a specific rider is the best thing you can do to the F3. All other changes should be secondary to suspension improvement/optimization.
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Now that is funny I don't care who you are that is some funny stuff right there!

Stock F3 forks are not damped or sprung correctly because the valving and spring rate don't seem to be matched up very well. Basically the rebound, no one is home...

Carts or better forks are not a waste of money. Unless you are such a slow rider that suspension make no difference at all. You would have to really suck or have no skills to believe that. Changing the suspension to work correctly for a specific rider is the best thing you can do to the F3. All other changes should be secondary to suspension improvement/optimization.
If the stock suspension with a shock revalve is good enough for Dave Moss then it's good enough for the vast majority of riders.

Getting it setup for the specific rider is a given. It's just not necessary for a cartridge kit or a new shock. Just because you carry the attitude that you're a superior rider doesn't mean you are. An excessive use of emojis isn't helping your case either. Try and be judgemental all you want, it doesn't actually change your perceived level of riding skills.
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The fork cartridges cannot be revalved as the compression valve is crimped:





I went with Andreani cartridges made to fit (Italian distributor of ÷hlins)

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I've never gotten my suspension serviced, but thinking of getting it done on Sachs shock and Marzocchi forks on my 2015 F3 800 (nearing 10,000 km).

A local suspension specialist who is always present at my trackdays told me that I should upgrade the springs in my fork and think of changing the Sachs shock to something 'better'. Is that Sachs shock a bad model??

Is that worth considering? Or is simply servicing the suspension and getting fresh oils in there enough?

Note that for my riding experience, I feel like the bike's suspension is great. But I'm no expert and maybe I'm missing something that I am unaware of??
I removed the stock suspension and went Ohlins in the rear and K-Tech DDS in the front.

The shock made a world of difference. The bike now rolls over bumps that used jar the rear end. Iíd say an ohlins or k-tech shock is a great investment.

As for the front, I tried an Andreani damping kit and it did a little bit, but not enough for me. I tend to work the front end of the bike pretty hard. So, I ponied up and got K-Tech cartridges. Biggest difference is the front end is now much stiffer. I havenít had a chance to dial them in, but Iím expecting good things from what Iíve heard from a bunch of pro racer buddies

Sachs arenít the best products, but if you donít have a ton of experience, you may just want to try and dial them in, first because suspension ainít cheap. Iíve got around 4K into mine in parts alone


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I also have a set of barely used fork cartridges with the Andreani cartridge kit mounted, for sale. Theyíre in the for sale section, if you wanted to try that route?


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I also have a set of barely used fork cartridges with the Andreani cartridge kit mounted, for sale. Theyíre in the for sale section, if you wanted to try that route?
Thanks Goreela. Springs set for what weight?

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