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anyone ridden both the s1000rr and the 2010 f4?

Like the title says, anyone ridden the two bikes?

I got a chance to ride the beemer and have to say I was impressed by how smooth and powerful that engine is. Hardly felt the engine at all, even at the low rpms. I was wondering if anyone who has ridden both can compare the engines between the two. Not looking to spend all day arguing aesthetics of the two bikes, but really curious to know how the new mv motor feels.

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Like the title says, anyone ridden the two bikes?

I got a chance to ride the beemer and have to say I was impressed by how smooth and powerful that engine is. Hardly felt the engine at all, even at the low rpms. I was wondering if anyone who has ridden both can compare the engines between the two. Not looking to spend all day arguing aesthetics of the two bikes, but really curious to know how the new mv motor feels.

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Steve has a 2010 F4, we have not swapped yet but have done a couple of side by side roll on's, oddly with it's short stroke engine the lower the rpm which we start from (2500rpm) the bigger the initial advantgae the S1000 has..........surprised me pleasantly

If we both start from say 5000 rpm the two bikes go side by side and inch by inch untill I guess they reach about 10/11000 rpm where the S1000 again starts to pull away.........not surprising given the figures.

The 2010 F4 has a very strong engine-no doubt, and kept in the range we all use them most (I assume) of 5000-9000rpm's on a usual ride out there is little if nothing in between them, hope that helps

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Steve has a 2010 F4, we have not swapped yet but have done a couple of side by side roll on's, oddly with it's short stroke engine the lower the rpm which we start from (2500rpm) the bigger the initial advantgae the S1000 has..........surprised me pleasantly
How much difference have they in gearing, rpm against speed in different gears?

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How much difference have they in gearing, rpm against speed in different gears?
They're not a million miles apart hb, my 1000S and 1000R would do near enough 90mph at 6000rpm, 08 R1 was exactly the same, 09R1 would do 86mph at 6000rpm and the S1000 I would say 85mph at 6000 rpm (It's a little 'test' I always seem to do) so I guess the 2010F4 to be the same as the 1000R or slightly less due to it's higher max rpm.

Do you know if the 2010 gearing is the same as the earlier bikes?

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Kawininja, as posted elsewhere - I own the new 2010 F4, and my brother owns the 1000rr and we have swapped bikes on a number of occasions. Engine wise, the BMW wins in terms of smoothness and responsiveness - particularly as Mikef4uk says, below 4k revs. The BMW is much more Japanese-like in that it will pull from pretty much any revs - whereas the F4 has a flat spot at 3500 revs and really requires you to keep it on the boil in order to get a fast getaway. Above 4k, both bikes pull cleanly. The main difference though, is that you feel that you're going faster on the F4 - its partly the glorious sound, but also the effect of the power band. What this means is that you can have fun at lower speeds on the F4. With the RR, like many Japanese sports bikes, the power is so smooth (as you point out) that it actually makes for a slightly uninvolving ride - unless you are really riding at speed - at which point it's the speed itself that provides the thrill. Having ridden both bikes, for me the F4 wins hands down - not because it is the easier bike to ride (it isnt), but because its a more involving bike to ride. The only analogy I can give you is - A Mitsubishi Evo car might be more technologically brilliant, cheaper and easier to drive than many Italian supercars - but which one would you really want to own......
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They're not a million miles apart hb, my 1000S and 1000R would do near enough 90mph at 6000rpm, 08 R1 was exactly the same, 09R1 would do 86mph at 6000rpm and the S1000 I would say 85mph at 6000 rpm (It's a little 'test' I always seem to do) so I guess the 2010F4 to be the same as the 1000R or slightly less due to it's higher max rpm.

Do you know if the 2010 gearing is the same as the earlier bikes?
If I remember correctly
120km/h,75mph at 5000rpm in 6th and 6000rpm in 5th for 2010 F4

2010 F4
RAPPORTI PRIMARIA50/79
RAPPORTI CAMBIO
Prima: Velocità* 14/37 137,4 km/h a 13500 giri/min
Seconda: Velocità* 16/33 176,0 km/h a 13500 giri/min
Terza: Velocità* 18/31 210,8 km/h a 13500 giri/min
Quarta: Velocità* 20/30 242,0 km/h a 13500 giri/min
Quinta: Velocità* 22/29 275,4 km/h a 13500 giri/min
Sesta: Velocità* 21/25 305,0 km/h a 13500 giri/min

* Velocità raggiungibile in pistaRAPPORTO FINALE DI TRASMISSIONE15x41

1000R
Primary drive 50/79
Gear ratio
First gear: Speed* 13/38
Second gear: Speed* 16/34
Third gear: Speed* 18/32
Fourth gear: Speed* 20/30
Fifth gear: Speed* 22/29
Sixth gear: Speed* 21/25
Final velocity ratio 15x40

So they are different.

Would be nice to have this chart on several Mv's


Looks overall the 2010 is a little shorter than 1000r, apart from 1st
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Even though your new thread is a perfectly legitimate question, Mr. Ninja, I believe you are the most indecisive ninja I have ever heard of.
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