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post #1 of 35 (permalink) Old 12-25-2009, 01:57 AM Thread Starter
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review of new F4

Fast Bikes just published the first pics of the new F4. The review begins by stating:

Imagine being told you have to redesign the fresco on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel and everyone in Italy is waiting to see the results. That's roughly what Brit designer Adrian Morton was faced with when asked by MV to breathe life into the F4 1000. No pressure then...

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All in all MV has spent an awful lot of time and effort redesigning a bike so that it looks, at first glance, virtually identical to the one it replaces.

(sorry...not typing all the stuff in the middle)
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Fast Bikes just published the first pics of the new F4. The review begins by stating:

Imagine being told you have to redesign the fresco on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel and everyone in Italy is waiting to see the results. That's roughly what Brit designer Adrian Morton was faced with when asked by MV to breathe life into the F4 1000. No pressure then...

the description ends with:

All in all MV has spent an awful lot of time and effort redesigning a bike so that it looks, at first glance, virtually identical to the one it replaces.

(sorry...not typing all the stuff in the middle)
Read it also a few days ago , fast Bikes is not Mv minded
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But it's true that the new F4 looks very close to the old one. My non-motorcycle family and friends and non-MV riders couldn't tell a difference (except the square exhaust).
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True,The bike looks the same visually at first, but improving the best is what impossibile.La real difference is in the internal technology and have produced everything designed for racing.
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MV is smart enough to not make the same mistake as Ducati did with the 999! Besides, how do you improve on something that is already so perfect?!
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how do you improve on something that is already so perfect?!
I agree that Ducati made a poor visual choice with the evolution of the 998 to the 999, however I remember reading an article where Ducati stated that a Monster will always look like a Monster and a Superbike will always look like a Superbike. This is tantamount to admission of defeat.

I cannot believe the 916 Ducati and the MV Agusta F4 represent the ultimate motorcycle styling which cannot be improved, meaning all subsequent iterations can only be developments of the original design. This locks you into a predetermined model (nee Porsche 911).

Radiacal styling changes can occur without dilution the original intent - look at the Ferrari 308, 328, 348, 355, 360, 430 and 458 evolution. Or clser to home, Bimota have produced many iconic models each without any reference to another (they have also produced some real visual odd-balls too).

Evolution takes wrong turns (the Ducati 999, Ferrrari 348). There are gorgeous bkes out there that don't look anything like a 916 Ducati, for example is the Cagiva 594 ugly? (its the 500cc GP bike that was supposively going to be the original styling basis for the F4). I also think Triumph has produced some inspirationally syled bikes in recent years that again don't follow any particar path.

To be an MV Agusta red and silver paint is mandatory as is an inline engine with the same number of exhaust pipes as cylinders however nothing else is really sacred - is it?

In my view the current MV Agusta F4 is beautiful and the next model needs to stand on it's two feet, yes the task is huge and fraught with risk but the Italians are the masters of design and don't we all want to ride original pieces of art not knockdowns of an original?

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I cannot believe the 916 Ducati and the MV Agusta F4 represent the ultimate motorcycle styling which cannot be improved, meaning all subsequent iterations can only be developments of the original design. This locks you into a predetermined model (nee Porsche 911).

Radiacal styling changes can occur without dilution the original intent - look at the Ferrari 308, 328, 348, 355, 360, 430 and 458 evolution. Or clser to home, Bimota have produced many iconic models each without any reference to another (they have also produced some real visual odd-balls too).

Evolution takes wrong turns (the Ducati 999, Ferrrari 348). There are gorgeous bkes out there that don't look anything like a 916 Ducati, for example is the Cagiva 594 ugly? (its the 500cc GP bike that was supposively going to be the original styling basis for the F4). I also think Triumph has produced some inspirationally syled bikes in recent years that again don't follow any particar path.

To be an MV Agusta red and silver paint is mandatory as is an inline engine with the same number of exhaust pipes as cylinders however nothing else is really sacred - is it?

In my view the current MV Agusta F4 is beautiful and the next model needs to stand on it's two feet, yes the task is huge and fraught with risk but the Italians are the masters of design and don't we all want to ride original pieces of art not knockdowns of an original?

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+1. A good design is a good design even if it comes from scratch. I have a feeling the new MV's design is really more based on costs and coming out with a more different design than the original.
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I wish massimo had designed this update is all I can say!

BUT

I agree with Pigiolino that the technology is what it is all about and I am excited by what MV will do in the future with the development of this new model!!

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Andrew, you took what I said all wrong! With that being said, where do you think MV would be if the new
F4 (which personally would buy) did to them what the 999 did to Ducati (I owned 2 999R's, one being a Xerox rep)? All I am trying to say is, it is hard to top something like the origonal F4. I'm not saying it can't be done but, when it comes to purist, what ever the replacement is, it better be stunning! Anyway, I hope the new bike sellls and we see MV on the track again sooner than later. I also hope they continue to develop and move forward with new technology. This will surely help generate sales.

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