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The weight of the new F4.....is it really heavier than the outgoing model as some reports are suggesting ???

If it is a mistake in the press release, how could MV get this so wrong.
Surely the new bike is lighter, the current bike's weakest trait.

If the new F4 is heavier I won't be rushing out to order one.
Can anyone shed some legit info on the weight ?

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I think the weight now is real weight (with fluids)and before was fake (without all fluids).I can't see it being heavier when they are saying in the specs that most componets are lighter and smaller.The only way to tell is put both bikes on the scales.Still its way off the 1198 weight specs
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Now, the weight in tech spec is real. It's a real dry weight, just without fuel. So add 17 liters of fuel and you are somewhere between 205 and 210 kg.
Check the post about top speed of bikes posted by MikeF4Black, where they claim the 1078 weights around 220 fully loaded.
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I think the weight now is real weight (with fluids)and before was fake (without all fluids).I can't see it being heavier when they are saying in the specs that most componets are lighter and smaller.
+1

MV says it's 22 lbs lighter, so it should be weighing in around 430-ish lbs, tank empty.....not too far off the quoted 423 lb. weight

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Now, the weight in tech spec is real. It's a real dry weight, just without fuel. So add 17 liters of fuel and you are somewhere between 205 and 210 kg.
Check the post about top speed of bikes posted by MikeF4Black, where they claim the 1078 weights around 220 fully loaded.
Miha, you beat me to the post!

F4 1078RR 220 kgs fully fuelled (only 3 kgs more than the new R1 mind you). Stated dry weight 193 kgs (biposto), so a 27 kgs difference. That's a lot of weight for 21 ltrs of fuel and all other fluids.

192 kgs (new F4) is stated without fuel but with all other fluids, so there should be an 8-10 kgs weight loss.

I think... (MV says it's 22 lbs lighter, so my guess is in the ballpark)

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It would have been nice if MV stated how they go the weight and provided numbers for both the old measuring system and the new system (ie: Dry Weight w/o fluid: _____; Dry Weight with oil and fluids: _______ ). That was remove any speculation and make the change in measurements clear. Then next year, just use the new system.
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Now, the weight in tech spec is real. It's a real dry weight, just without fuel. So add 17 liters of fuel and you are somewhere between 205 and 210 kg.
Check the post about top speed of bikes posted by MikeF4Black, where they claim the 1078 weights around 220 fully loaded.
Yes, +1 on that one, once you see the bike it can only be lighter, some eg's plastic fuel tank, plastic headlight and glass, one exhaust silencer, 'modern' alternator instead of a 1980's Fiat reject.

205/210 kg will put it in exactly the same ballpark as any modern 1000cc SB, in real weight terms, not 'claimed' weights

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It would have been nice if MV stated how they go the weight and provided numbers for both the old measuring system and the new system (ie: Dry Weight w/o fluid: _____; Dry Weight with oil and fluids: _______ ). That was remove any speculation and make the change in measurements clear. Then next year, just use the new system.
We could really do with a 'std' format for weighing bikes, ie ready to ride/kerb weight with no fuel, a fully fuelled 'std' would have all the manufacturers reducing tank sizes

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Are you gonna sell the R1 and buy one then Mike?


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Are you gonna sell the R1 and buy one then Mike?
Yes Mike, I was wondering that also. You seemed quite excited after seeing the bike in Milan.

To be accurate: 192 kg dry weight + 17 liters(which is a bit more than 12 kg) = ~204 kg. 1198 is 203, Fireblade is 202, RC8R is 202 according to MikeF4Black's post. All others are heavier, more or less.

Add forged wheels from B4 1090 RR, Titanium exhaust and maybe complete CF fairing and we're looking deep under 200 kg fully loaded.


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