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TT, Datatool 4 crap, Powercommander and Ade :-)

Hi All,

I must say a big thanks to Ade! The man is a star

The quick tale of woe is this....

My bike was fitted with a Datatool 4 which has caused me constant problems EVERY time I wash the bike, ie it immobilised itself - and yes, it was fitted by an MV dealer on purchasing and before collection.

So, I'm over at the Island, I've done 2 early morning laps over the mountain course (0600 - nice and quiet, all the idiots are still asleep drunk) pulls back in the camp site and parks up. 3 hours later goes to go out on the bike, - nothing. Immobiliser wont work, bike wont do anything. Then wooooo woooo wooo, the dreaded DS4 alarm. Funnily enough, every bloody alarm/immobiliser that was causing problems, from before the Ferry,on the Ferry and over on the island??? DS4's. Now I'm not (as Kilroy Silk nicely put) suggesting that ALL datatool 4's are faulty, but all faulty alarms were datatool 4's.

So, after 3 1/2 hours of annoying my campsite I phoned Ade. He came over and he eventually managed to remove the bloody cancerous datatool. It got dropped into a bin far away from my camp site thats for sure.

So, off we both go for a ride out out. I get to Ramsey.... bike turns over but wont start, but it had started to misfire 2 -3 cylinders then 4 and nearly bucking me off, on the way there.

After pushing the bike round to Dave Hagons AND a free cup of tea and no charge for anything used (another big thanks ) we eventually unplugged the PC3 from the bike harness after much head scratching.

PC3 is off, Datatool is off, 30 mins on a battery charger.... turn the key and BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRUUMMM! She fires up no problems at all

Dave added his advice that this was a known problem on PC3's and that his personal view on Datatool alarms.

I must agree, I completely agree with his and Ades views on the same bits of kit, bearing in mind I have been through 4 new batteries. Now I have no problem at all - so I am a happy camper.

So the moral is, keep Ades phone number - he's better than the AA or RAC hahaha. Honestly.

All the best,

Hoppy

THANKS ADE AND DAVE

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credit paid where credit is due. good work team!
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nice work. I have a similiar story as it happens with the Datatool 4. I could never disarm it in a built up area. Sometimes i would try for ages pressing the buttons and shooting at the bike from every different angle but nothing. Then once i rode down to Eastbourne with a friend parked up and stayed for the day. Went to go home that afternoon and nothing, could not start that bike for love nor money. So I push the bike about 400 yards up to the main road to try and get some clearer air, still nothing. After considering leaving the bike there and jumping on the back of my mates a car drives past. The guy gets out and asks what the problem was. I told him half the story not really thinking hes gonna be able to help.......20 mins later he's back from his house with soldering iron and wire cutters, the alarms completely out of the loom and floating out to sea! The guy was an ex alarm fitter for a bike shop. what are the chances of that! I think these guys are sent from above - the MV angels!!!!
Turns out Datatool alarms are pretty much the only alarms that suffer from interference, they operate on a low frequency or something which means things like broadband wireless internet and any other signal can mess them up. terrific.
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Hi All,

I must say a big thanks to Ade! The man is a star

The quick tale of woe is this....

My bike was fitted with a Datatool 4 which has caused me constant problems EVERY time I wash the bike, ie it immobilised itself - and yes, it was fitted by an MV dealer on purchasing and before collection.

So, I'm over at the Island, I've done 2 early morning laps over the mountain course (0600 - nice and quiet, all the idiots are still asleep drunk) pulls back in the camp site and parks up. 3 hours later goes to go out on the bike, - nothing. Immobiliser wont work, bike wont do anything. Then wooooo woooo wooo, the dreaded DS4 alarm. Funnily enough, every bloody alarm/immobiliser that was causing problems, from before the Ferry,on the Ferry and over on the island??? DS4's. Now I'm not (as Kilroy Silk nicely put) suggesting that ALL datatool 4's are faulty, but all faulty alarms were datatool 4's.

So, after 3 1/2 hours of annoying my campsite I phoned Ade. He came over and he eventually managed to remove the bloody cancerous datatool. It got dropped into a bin far away from my camp site thats for sure.

So, off we both go for a ride out out. I get to Ramsey.... bike turns over but wont start, but it had started to misfire 2 -3 cylinders then 4 and nearly bucking me off, on the way there.

After pushing the bike round to Dave Hagons AND a free cup of tea and no charge for anything used (another big thanks ) we eventually unplugged the PC3 from the bike harness after much head scratching.

PC3 is off, Datatool is off, 30 mins on a battery charger.... turn the key and BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRUUMMM! She fires up no problems at all

Dave added his advice that this was a known problem on PC3's and that his personal view on Datatool alarms.

I must agree, I completely agree with his and Ades views on the same bits of kit, bearing in mind I have been through 4 new batteries. Now I have no problem at all - so I am a happy camper.

So the moral is, keep Ades phone number - he's better than the AA or RAC hahaha. Honestly.

All the best,

Hoppy

THANKS ADE AND DAVE


It was a pleasure meeting up with you Hoppy and helping a brother in need on "Home Turf"!!

Personally I secretly think that you engineered the whole affair when you saw I was riding the mighty RS Aprilia!!




LOL

Anyway I'm real glad all is good with the 1000R now, and for what its worth I'll bet there was nothing wrong with your battery on all the previous occasions either, just the DT 4 being a pain in the arse
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In the past I've heard a lot of stories about Datatools alarms and interference. Everything from mobile phone towers to electricity sub-stations. However, all radio spectrum usage is legislated for different applications, so I don't imagine they're using frequencies too dissimilar to other alarm manufacturers, so perhaps the problem is not isolated to Datatool?

FWIW, I have a Datatool and I've never had a problem with it anywhere. But I did have to remove it once when diagnosing a starting problem (turned out to be a fuel pump short) and I was surprised at how easy it was to isolate and remove a supposedly dealer-fitted "unremovable" immobiliser.

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They only give you a problem once!!..................Then you are in the shit big time if you haven't access to some tools or some knowledge.

Mr average is bollloxed when his goes wrong.

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In the past I've heard a lot of stories about Datatools alarms and interference. Everything from mobile phone towers to electricity sub-stations. However, all radio spectrum usage is legislated for different applications, so I don't imagine they're using frequencies too dissimilar to other alarm manufacturers, so perhaps the problem is not isolated to Datatool?

FWIW, I have a Datatool and I've never had a problem with it anywhere. But I did have to remove it once when diagnosing a starting problem (turned out to be a fuel pump short) and I was surprised at how easy it was to isolate and remove a supposedly dealer-fitted "unremovable" immobiliser.

Si
Yes, it's true. You could never (unless you were an expert fitter) remove the Datatool 3 from my GSXR. It is part of the loom now, a proper factory fit unlike the MV one. The MV one is just like a Power commander. Rubbish considering it's an alarm/immobiliser.

Now I have also heard that Datatool *know* that some D4's have a problem, (AA man told me) he's attended a few D4 *immobilisations* on the road.

Allegedly, Datatool ask for the faulty device and "replace the mother board" - how they do that in a potted and sealed unit I'll never know - but does Mr Average know that? probably not.

So, when/if you get the fault, they replace it nice and quietly, and do not admit there is a known problem. So if there isn't a problem why do they change it no questions asked?

Over to you Datatool....

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