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Brand New Battery Issues

I've done quite a bit of searching, and I haven't found anyone who did exactly what I did. Different symptoms.

2007 F4 1000R

When installing my new battery, my hand slipped and I grounded the positive lead directly to the frame of the bike. It was for maybe .25 seconds, but I definitely saw a spark. When I was screwing it in, I believe the shift light was on, and when I grounded it, whatever light was on went off. I am certain the terminals are the right way, after reading on how many people messed that up.

Now when I turn the bike on, the Neutral, Battery, and Oil lights remain on, no activity on Tac or Speedo, no headlight/tail-light.

The thing that makes it confusing, there is a constant buzzing sound coming from under the tank somewhere. I can only assume it's the fuel pump trying to kick in with not enough power.

I've tested the battery with a multimeter, and it does not drop volts AT ALL (not even .01v) when I turn on the bike. I have a manual fan switch, and when I engage that, the fan tries to come on, but can barely start to spin. It feels to me a fuse must be kaput (maybe the 40amp), but why would my fuel pump be trying to engage, my fan be able to work, and the lights on the dash come on if that fuse was gone? I checked all the fuses on the right side, and they are good.

I've also removed the trickle charger leads from the battery, thinking they may not be passing enough amperage through. Curious thing was when re-installing, the battery didn't give off small "sparks" when connecting the leads like normal, and the bike didn't react at all to the battery install like the first time. Also why I'm thinking fuse, but not sure which one.

Maybe I'm missing something, flame me at will lol.

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Upon further investigation, the buzzing is coming from the BtTran(?) PA66-GF30 relay that is next to the starter solenoid. I am going to assume this guy is toast and get him replaced. I'll update the thread on my progress.

Also, both 40amp fuses were OK.

The curious thing is if I manually hold the relay to "engaged" (I opened it up, and can hold the gap closed) it doesn't seem to change the symptoms. I can only assume it's not passing enough through it to activate.

I'm still open for suggestions lol.

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For the 2007 F4 100R, there are two relays beside the start solenoid. One is the "intermittency" (Turn Signals) and the other is the GENERAL FEED relay. The GF relay ports power to the rest of the bike. It has four wires rather than the two of the Intermittency. If you roasted that relay, the GF relay, then the bike isn't going to work.

How do you know the fuses are good? Did you test for continuity with a meter? One of the fuses at the solenoid is simply a spare.

Can we assume you have downloaded the manual and gone through the troubleshooting guide?

Is your positive terminal toward the front or back of the bike?

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I just replaced the relay with a known good one and it too is buzzing. It is from the General Feed relay. I have the old relay apart, and can manually close the circuit to force it to give power, but even then, the symptoms remain the same, just no buzzing. I may take the battery back to the shop, they had 1 other one in stock that I could try.

I haven't gone through the manual yet. I need to track down where my copy is. I'll do that tonight as I'm not sure where to go next on the bike.

I tested continuity of fuses with my meter, both were showing .08 ohms, so very close to OL. I can replace those as well if needed. Positive terminal is toward the back of the bike.

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OK. Sounds like you have a decent plan.

Your manual is available here: Team Double 3 Racing | MV Agusta free of charge and searchable.

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One other thing...

...there are two cables that go to your negative terminal. Ensure both are connected.

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whobeyou;
Always install the battery, then the positive cables and THEN the negative cables......

Think about it........this way when installing the positive cables and your wrench touches the frame
nothing happens


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Noel, I thought about posting that....standard electrical practice when working on cars/bikes/boats....Ground: off first, on last.
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I agree with both of you. Believe me, I'm kicking myself for not just taking my time. I was really excited to get her back running.

However, in this case, I'm not sure it would have mattered. I was screwing in the positive lead, and the wrench came in contact with the frame. TBH I think I may have simply just killed the battery, gonna try and swap it for another one today.

I do have both negative leads attached as well.

When I grounded the battery, I did believe I heard something pop. It was so quick, and I was also hearing the sparks, but I am 95% sure I heard another pop. I am going to check the starter relay diode today, and find all the fuses on the bike.

Just wondering, when frying the ECU, does it present symptoms like this? I found a couple online and might just order one if that's the way this thing is headed...

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Exclamation Don't waste your time....

...looking for something that isn't there. The 2007 F4 1000R does not have the diode you seek:

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