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F41000RR and F3 against the competition

Better news for F3 than F4

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Agreed re F4RR but it is more than fast enough for me and for ever will be more desirable
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Agreed re F4RR but it is more than fast enough for me and for ever will be more desirable
I also thought the Panigalle might have done a little better after all the hype?..................that's the problem with 'hype'

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Agreed re F4RR but it is more than fast enough for me and for ever will be more desirable
I don't know if you ride your 1000RR hard? but if you do, do you find that the power band just disappears at around 9000 to 10000 rpm then kicks in again with a thump.
Also are your exhausts very, very black? even after say 200 miles?
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I don't know if you ride your 1000RR hard? but if you do, do you find that the power band just disappears at around 9000 to 10000 rpm then kicks in again with a thump.
Also are your exhausts very, very black? even after say 200 miles?
At Philip Island my 1078 with 200 hp only just beats the 100rr down the strait more level than anything more so (who has the bigger balls for turn 1) haven't had the chance to ride but an awesome bike, would love to ride the rsv4f though
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[quote=stephen wood;523157]I don't know if you ride your 1000RR hard? but if you do, do you find that the power band just disappears at around 9000 to 10000 rpm then kicks in again with a thump.

Also are your exhausts very, very black? even after say 200 miles?[/quote

Er I do although never get near the 13.5k 'peak' power, however I do not get much dip between 9 -10k following the dealer messing about with the engine and yes I get soot on the exhaust tips but to be fair not very, very..........
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My F4 RR doesn't have the exhausts that black....now
after the first 1000km... and after i start to ride it more hard....
the power range... is what we all know already.....

Also expect the 1199 to rate better.... :P


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I don't know if you ride your 1000RR hard? but if you do, do you find that the power band just disappears at around 9000 to 10000 rpm then kicks in again with a thump.

Also are your exhausts very, very black? even after say 200 miles?[/quote

Er I do although never get near the 13.5k 'peak' power, however I do not get much dip between 9 -10k following the dealer messing about with the engine and yes I get soot on the exhaust tips but to be fair not very, very..........
Do you know what your dealer did to sort the power dip between 9th and 10th ?
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Comparing the MV to the latest High tech Superbikes is an apple vs oranges scenerio.MV uses a hemi head design. Mv engineers had to take the 50 year old design and massage 200hp out of an already 20 year old 1000cc engine with set perameters. The competitors started with a clean sheet of paper with no set perameters. The press is raving about Ducatis ground breaking ,outside of the box technology . But in reality MV had more of a daunting task as it is much easier to borrow f1 tech from Ferrari ect and adapt it to a motorcycle.(ie Ducati Panagale)
In MVs case this is why you see problems in making a smooth powerband.When your pushing 200hp per liter out of an engine designed for 100hp per liter smooth linear powerbands arnt easily achieved.I am very impressesed with MV being that even the most modern engines using the latest Pentroof f1 heads are straining to hit the high 190s and MV did so with old hot rod hemi heads! In WSB the earth shatterring BMW s1000 hasnt won a race, why? to hit the 240hp mark its powerband is top heavy and hard to ride. BMW started with a clean sheet but coudnt make a wide smooth powerband either and they have a budget 10 times that of MV. And like wise in Handling, the trelis design makes for a good stiff chassis until you start running the pace achieved in MotoGP ect.
IMHO the MV1000RR is a hot rod streetbike vs the competitors hightech racebike.
Personally im not good enough of a rider to push the limits of either . So i picked the MV1000r over the s1000. Better powerband with more usable torque at lower rpm. The sound stirrs the soul and it looks fantastic ( although the BMW s1000 looks phenominal also ) BTW I also picked the Ducati 1198 over the new 1199. The 1198 has been refined to 10/10ths where as the jury isnt out on the monque chassis yet. I also had the Kawasaki zx14 with the monoque chassis= they cracked !!!
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Ehhhrm... Jake, The Engine was a completely new design back in 2010. The RR engine however is in my opinion a short cut (panic decision) to answer the BMW 1000 RR engine. What they did is overbore the newly developed engine and give it a shorter stroke to raise rpm and at the same time lower piston speed.

I'd say they've done a nice job but didn't get the fuelling right all through the rev range.

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