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2012 F4RR owners - potential issue?

This is a warning and a request for info in one hit!!

I've heard of a few issues (as well as my one not functioning) with the tip over switch on this particular model so this is a warning for owners to check the functionality of the device as a precautionary measure.

To check this the fuel tank needs to be lifted and with the engine running the tilt switch can be removed and simply rotated 90 degrees to simulate the bike being on its side - the engine should cut out. I think this is a wiring fault not the switch itself so should be easily rectified, if you do test this out can you report back here with your findings even if the test worked ok as this could be limited to a certain batch of chassis numbers/years/models so the following info would be great:

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Does the switch cut the engine?

If a real issue comes to light I will be contacting MV as this could be a product recall situation so if your switch does not turn off the engine a PM with your chassis number will be very useful.

If requested I'll put together some instructions and pictures of how and what to test.

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I'll check on mine, but can only do it over the weekend. I'll let you know what I find.

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I lowsided mine at the track and it was still running when I came to a stop. I'm going to assume that it does not work for me

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Mine doesn't work. same as Al's situation above.

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I think when Emma fell over last year she didn't shut off. I was in a bit of a panic so I'm not positive but I think I recall thinking she should have but had reached down and hit the kill switch. She's a 2014 so it may not be limited to 2012 if I'm right. I'm bringing her to the dealer on Saturday. I'll ask they check it since they will have the tank off and post the result.

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I think when Emma fell over last year she didn't shut off. I was in a bit of a panic so I'm not positive but I think I recall thinking she should have but had reached down and hit the kill switch. She's a 2014 so it may not be limited to 2012 if I'm right. I'm bringing her to the dealer on Saturday. I'll ask they check it since they will have the tank off and post the result.

The 14 uses an IMU (mounted in the nose of the front fairing behind the clocks). Its not a simple tip over sensor. The wiring is to the CAN bus and if there is s fault with the wiring or sensor, it will be flagged up. This does not mean the ecu will tell the bike to stop, the sensor and wiring can be correct, but if the code is wrong well...

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The 14 uses an IMU (mounted in the nose of the front fairing behind the clocks). Its not a simple tip over sensor. The wiring is to the CAN bus and if there is s fault with the wiring or sensor, it will be flagged up. This does not mean the ecu will tell the bike to stop, the sensor and wiring can be correct, but if the code is wrong well...
Interesting. My '08 Raider has a shut off if the bike goes horizontal. Are you saying the MV does not?

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Interesting. My '08 Raider has a shut off if the bike goes horizontal. Are you saying the MV does not?
All the MVs should have a "Tip Over Sensor"..... Kills the fuel pump when activated.

Haven't tested mine, but some bikes have a small time delay in the software that keeps things going for a few seconds just in case you aren't actually crashed.
MotoCross bikes have a really long delay to allow riders a chance to pick it up if they fall down in a race.

Older models use a simple analog sensor...like a steel ball in a u-shaped tube or a mercury switch. Simple to test with an ohmmeter.
New IMU systems are a LOT more sophisticated, but are incredibly reliable unless someone ham-fisted works on the bike, adds electrical stuff when they don't know what they are doing, or compromises connectors in the harness.

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All the MVs should have a "Tip Over Sensor"..... Kills the fuel pump when activated.

Haven't tested mine, but some bikes have a small time delay in the software that keeps things going for a few seconds just in case you aren't actually crashed.
MotoCross bikes have a really long delay to allow riders a chance to pick it up if the fall down in a race.

Older models use a simple analog sensor...like a steel ball in a u-shaped tube or a mercury switch. Simple to test with an ohmmeter.
New IMU systems are a LOT more sophisticate, but are incredibly reliable unless someone ham-fisted works on the bike, adds electrical stuff when they don't know what they are doing, or compromises connectors in the harness.
That makes sense. I reached to shut off Emma in just a couple of seconds so maybe too soon to be automatic. Emma's all stock so no one has added anything that could make the system wonky. Thanks Ed.

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Mine doesn't work. same as Al's situation above.



It should now, we rewired it and it's the reason for this thread being started. I suspect that the newer switches are wired up incorrectly but need to get a few bikes in and test it. I use the MV tilt switch on other bikes when i build custom looms so as a switch it works just fine, there is around a 1-2 sec delay but they do cut power and kill the engine. Because we could see it through your microtec i could see it wasn't switching off. I'm fairly certain that in the end we rewired it. As winter is here maybe i can head down to you and spend an hour or so doing some tests with std ecu's and microtecs with wiring set as per the manual.


I do think there is a larger underlying issue here that MV might need to address but until actual details are taken and a set test procedure sorted there won't be anything to go back to them with.
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