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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 06-04-2018, 04:51 PM Thread Starter
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2013 F4RR Wheelie control?

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I'm the proud new owner of a 2013 F4RR. I've been reading the reviews of all the motorcycle publications reviews about the bike, and they all keep talking about "anti wheelie" or "wheelie control". Yet I can't find anything about it in the manual or on the screen. Does this exist? could I add it? In first gear, anything above about 7000 RPM the bike wants to stand up, sometimes very abruptly. I haven't gotten to tuning the suspension yet, as I just got it home. But if this is something I could have, I'd really like to have it. It seems I don't have an auto blipper too, which I've seen written about before, but the quickshifter works well.
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Hi and welcome,

There's no anti-wheelie control on the F4.

As standard there was no blipper either, I'd recommend changing the QS sensor as the starlane is a problematic to set up for a blipper.

To activate the blipper function you will need a reflash. I used ECU Studio, I think there other options too.

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Does your 2013 RR have Traction Control and changeable maps? If there is TC you may be able to affect an anti-wheelie setting. You may have it?? Have you studied the owner manual?

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Anti-wheelie is built into the traction control. There is a 3-axis ecu on the front of the bike which detects the angle of the bike and sends that to the engine ecu. It limits how far the front wheel will raise but doesn't stop it entirely. You have to turn the TC up a couple of levels if you want to reduce the wheelie affect. Also suggest that you ensure you have the latest version of the software installed. There were also a number of service bulletins on that year which should have been done during the PDI process. Not sure who your closest dealer is that I would recommend. And get your suspension setup...that will make a significant change to how the bike handles.
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Anti wheelie / wheelie control and traction control are different.

You could use TC to help prevent wheelies, but you are limiting the ability to put power down far more than an anti wheelie / wheelie control would do.

To achieve good control of wheelies you need to be able to see what the suspension especially the forks are doing. The IMU is only part of the picture. The IMU does not know what angle the road is at, only what the bike is at.

For example, you crest a rise accelerating or neutral throttle, the road drops away, you effectively start wheeling as the road is dropping away from you, you also need less power as your not accelerating up hill so the wheelie increases. You are no where near the limit of traction the TC will not help. This is where real anti wheelie kicks in. The F4 does not do this.

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Dansoarr,

You appear to be fairly familiar with the ECU studio program. Is this something I could make use of myself? Or woild a competent dyno tuner who's never seen it be able to pick it up rather easily? I'm likely going to put a full exhaust on this bike and it will need tuning. But no one around here has seem anything like this.
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Dansoarr,

You appear to be fairly familiar with the ECU studio program. Is this something I could make use of myself? Or woild a competent dyno tuner who's never seen it be able to pick it up rather easily? I'm likely going to put a full exhaust on this bike and it will need tuning. But no one around here has seem anything like this.
If you are IT literate and understand the basics of motorcycles, then its straight forward to load the maps and use. I'd start with the MV Kit maps supplied as they are the maps that MV use for the RC etc with track kit fitted, derestricted, no exhaust valve, etc.

As far as Dyno work, its not a system that the tuner will probably be familiar with, but the principles are the same, methodical tuning. They can start with just correcting fuelling, ignition etc or rebuild from scratch, but they would probably need to understand MV's. ECUStudio has a live maps process so that the tuner can see what is happening live on the map, and how each map is behaving.

RBW throttle mapping can be done on the dyno as a check but can only really be tested on the track. I routinely change mine depending on the track I am at.

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Dansoarr,

You appear to be fairly familiar with the ECU studio program. Is this something I could make use of myself? Or woild a competent dyno tuner who's never seen it be able to pick it up rather easily? I'm likely going to put a full exhaust on this bike and it will need tuning. But no one around here has seem anything like this.

@trigger29: Where is "around here"?

Were you to simply put your general location in your profile, and your bike year and model in your signature line (easily through USER CP), then it would be more efficient for those trying to help you.

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Post #3 above...Southeast South Dakota...I think that qualifies as "around here"...hehehe...
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