Crossed up? Could be the passenger seat...

corran · 12-04-2012, 07:12 PM

If anyone is feeling at all crossed up on the bike.... I believe I've found the problem and solution

Testing the bike right after I got it with 3x AMA amateur Superbike champion Brian Evans, we were feeling really crossed up going into the turn, and running wide at the exit. After a lot of testing we realized its because the passenger seat doesn't allow you to slide your ass far enough back.

So I took the passenger seat off the bike, removed the covering, and then shaved back the foam seat by about 1" (all the way to the hand strap that goes over the top). This totally solved the problem. It was like night and day.... Much more stable in the turn (took away that "loose" feeling), didn't run as wide on turn exit, and most importantly, allowed me to lead with my outside shoulder.

Just some general info for ya...

Corran

MVF3_40 · 12-05-2012, 04:57 AM

".....most importantly, allowed me to lead with my outside shoulder."

I've never heard of this, can you tell me what you mean?

My experience is the same as yours, i find the bike more manageable with my arse all the way back on exit, though it does encourage the front to lift.

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corran · 12-05-2012, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MVF3_40

".....most importantly, allowed me to lead with my outside shoulder."

I've never heard of this, can you tell me what you mean?

My experience is the same as yours, i find the bike more manageable with my arse all the way back on exit, though it does encourage the front to lift.

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What I mean is on say a left hand turn, my head and chest are turned and projected to the left. This means that I get my right shoulder rotated forward further than my left shoulder amd the result is me cheast is square to my projected turn. If my left shoulder was further forward I'd be crossed up.

Like this:

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...22293359_o.jpg

It's what we all do. I just worded it funny. Sorry about that.

Corran

silentservice703 · 12-05-2012, 09:41 AM

It came across strangely because you always lead with the inside shoulder. Your image clearly shows that. What matters is that you can get yourself off the inside edge of the seat, chin over your inside arm/hand, and your body is not centered over the high side of the machine. Getting the outside shoulder over the center of the machine gets your seight moved inside and the center of gravity moved to the inside of the bike.

Donsy · 12-05-2012, 10:53 AM

So, what you're saying is, being further back on the bike, gave you better corner stability ?

ondgas · 12-05-2012, 10:57 AM

Donsy...I left this one alone with you in mind. Been checking often to see if and when you would coment. Lol

Beauwulf675 · 12-05-2012, 11:05 AM

I don't know M8... more weight transfer to the rear usually makes the bike run wide on exit. It lessens the fork angle as you apply power. Adding ride height in the rear or raising the forks in the clamps is the classic solution to running wide.... or offset triple clamps.

ondgas · 12-05-2012, 11:19 AM

▲▲▲ correct beauwulf.

silentservice703 · 12-05-2012, 12:10 PM

I agree from Donsy on down...I am thinking that Corran being able to scoot a tad further back actually allowed him to get his weight forward moving the CoG and creating better handling. Thoughts?

corran · 12-05-2012, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donsy

So, what you're saying is, being further back on the bike, gave you better corner stability ?

yes exactly

12-04-2012, 07:12 PM	#1
corran Senior Member MV in the Registry: [F3] [View photo album] Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: San Clemente california Posts: 107	Crossed up? Could be the passenger seat... If anyone is feeling at all crossed up on the bike.... I believe I've found the problem and solution Testing the bike right after I got it with 3x AMA amateur Superbike champion Brian Evans, we were feeling really crossed up going into the turn, and running wide at the exit. After a lot of testing we realized its because the passenger seat doesn't allow you to slide your ass far enough back. So I took the passenger seat off the bike, removed the covering, and then shaved back the foam seat by about 1" (all the way to the hand strap that goes over the top). This totally solved the problem. It was like night and day.... Much more stable in the turn (took away that "loose" feeling), didn't run as wide on turn exit, and most importantly, allowed me to lead with my outside shoulder. Just some general info for ya... Corran

12-05-2012, 09:41 AM	#4
silentservice703 Senior Member MV in the Registry: [F4 1000 R 312] [View photo album] Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: In Duxbury, MA, USA with Lee and Patty in my heart. Posts: 6,208	It came across strangely because you always lead with the inside shoulder. Your image clearly shows that. What matters is that you can get yourself off the inside edge of the seat, chin over your inside arm/hand, and your body is not centered over the high side of the machine. Getting the outside shoulder over the center of the machine gets your seight moved inside and the center of gravity moved to the inside of the bike. __________________ *Keep your words soft and sweet...for somday you shall eat them!* A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul. -- George Bernard Shaw

12-05-2012, 10:53 AM	#5
Donsy Senior Member MV in the Registry: [F4 1000 R] [View photo album] Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Western Australia Posts: 9,270	So, what you're saying is, being further back on the bike, gave you better corner stability ? __________________ Dons Nel Manuals are here - http://www.teamdouble3racing.com/manuals

12-05-2012, 12:10 PM	#9
silentservice703 Senior Member MV in the Registry: [F4 1000 R 312] [View photo album] Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: In Duxbury, MA, USA with Lee and Patty in my heart. Posts: 6,208	I agree from Donsy on down...I am thinking that Corran being able to scoot a tad further back actually allowed him to get his weight forward moving the CoG and creating better handling. Thoughts? __________________ *Keep your words soft and sweet...for somday you shall eat them!* A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul. -- George Bernard Shaw

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12-05-2012, 04:57 AM	#2
MVF3_40 Senior Member No MVs in the Registry Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 431	".....most importantly, allowed me to lead with my outside shoulder." I've never heard of this, can you tell me what you mean? My experience is the same as yours, i find the bike more manageable with my arse all the way back on exit, though it does encourage the front to lift. Sent from my GT-I9100 using Motorcycle.com App

12-05-2012, 10:57 AM	#6
ondgas Senior Member No MVs in the Registry Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: lynchburg Va Posts: 520	Donsy...I left this one alone with you in mind. Been checking often to see if and when you would coment. Lol

12-05-2012, 11:05 AM	#7
Beauwulf675 Senior Member No MVs in the Registry Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 117	I don't know M8... more weight transfer to the rear usually makes the bike run wide on exit. It lessens the fork angle as you apply power. Adding ride height in the rear or raising the forks in the clamps is the classic solution to running wide.... or offset triple clamps.

12-05-2012, 11:19 AM	#8
ondgas Senior Member No MVs in the Registry Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: lynchburg Va Posts: 520	▲▲▲ correct beauwulf.