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#1 ·
f3 v 675 triumph in mcn today.

overall verdict is that the triumph is much better in normal conditions(everyday riding) but mv would be better on track!

usual mv faults are diagnosed . ie too extreme for road, raw motor, poorish gearbox, bad fuelling!!

good points are sounds good and looks good! and is better at roll on times than triumph and is faster in straight line.

so it looks to me like the usual dilemma for us mv fans!

i cant believe theyve spent so much time and money developing a bike that still has basic faults!

mvs testers must be useless!!

cant wait to see more tests and head to heads in mags but my mantra is as always.............test one for yourselves!!


i loved my f4 even with all its faults but i was hoping the f3 would be THE BIKE that would bring me back to the mv fold but the juries out at the moment.:ahhh:
 
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#104 ·
In theory it should just be a mapping/software/firmware update. If MV make the right changes then as long as the dealer can access and download a map they should be fine.

No idea what new dealer tools might be on the way for this generation of ECU. For the 5SM though you can't install a map.

:)
 
#108 ·
all i can say after reading todays mcn group test is.....oh dear oh dear oh dear! wtf are mv playing at? all this time , money and effort and its looking like theyve fecked it up.

their most important bike for a decade that needs to be a world beater finishes bottom of the group test!

even aside from the verbal bashing, the stats are poor!

it doesnt come top in any category!! the suzuki is faster and stops better and so are most of the rest!!

where is the world beating performance we were promised?

i shall wait to see other reports but i didnt expect it to be this bad!!!

im absolutely gutted!! it seems some heads should roll for this abortion!
 
#109 ·
all i can say after reading todays mcn group test is.....oh dear oh dear oh dear! wtf are mv playing at? all this time , money and effort and its looking like theyve fecked it up. :popcorn:

their most important bike for a decade that needs to be a world beater finishes bottom of the group test! :jsm:

even aside from the verbal bashing, the stats are poor! :eek:nthecan:

it doesnt come top in any category!! the suzuki is faster and stops better and so are most of the rest!! :thewife:

where is the world beating performance we were promised? :guitarist

i shall wait to see other reports but i didnt expect it to be this bad!!! :confused:

im absolutely gutted!! it seems some heads should roll for this abortion! :violin:
You just can't believe those journo's devilboy, and whats more performance and value for money has nothing whatsoever to do with it!!

Rob'll tell yer better than me!!..........................


I'm very glad I pulled my deposit at any rate at least I'm sleeping well at night.​
 
#113 ·
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Nope I'm just a realist Rob!!!!


We'll all see if its all its cracked up to be if/when it hits the track against some serious opposition!! Personally if its any good I'll wait and get the 'R' version anyway.
I'm quite surprised you want the basic model in fact.

All that glitters isn't gold!!


:popcorn:
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Ade , next year when I visit the TT , I will have a go on your F3R ;)
 
#115 ·
With MCN ... if its not Trimuph related its rubbish! How come ever other test of the F3 has been positive, yes people have issues with the 'track' focus but MV themselves have said that they are not trying to rival any other 600 bike ... its in a class of one and should not be compared to others. MV have a very success track history and that is part of their ethos - love it or hate.

If you lined every 600 bike up - I know which one i would pick everytime - its bike porn !

I refuse to believe any sensationalist rag - I will make my own mind up.
 
#117 · (Edited)
Which wine would you choose??

With MCN ... if its not Trimuph or SUZUKI related its rubbish! How come ever other test of the F3 has been positive, yes people have issues with the 'track' focus but MV themselves have said that they are not trying to rival any other 600 bike ... its in a class of one and should not be compared to others. MV have a very success track history and that is part of their ethos - love it or hate.

If you lined every 600 bike up - I know which one i would pick everytime - its bike porn !

I refuse to believe any sensationalist rag - I will make my own mind up.
So let me get this right then!!

The F3 is being let off the hook somewhat because the bike is now being portrayed as more track orientated?
They are pinning the future of MV Agusta on the 675 triple in both guises, its a huge financial gamble and they are entering into a very competitive 600 marketplace.

They aren't trying to rival other 600's so I assume they are either accepting they are marketing either a lesser performing or a greater performing bike.

I 100% agree that MV Agusta do have an impressive racing CV, but in all honesty that was 36 years ago and more.

MV Agusta last won a race in 1976 when Giacomo Agostini won at the Nurenburgring on the 500.

MV Agusta last won a world tittle in 1974.

When all is said and done the original MV Agusta's have no relationship in any way to the MV Agusta's produced during the last 12 years, the only similarities to the golden age of MV Agusta GP bikes is in fact the logo.

In fact from my understanding then the only thing that folk are really raving about is the design and how its track orientated.

FWIW I think it is a beautifully designed bike too but I certainly don't buy a bottle of wine because it has a pretty label.

Which bottle do you prefer? I can tell you through experience which tastes the better.​
 
#118 ·
I'd go for the little bottle Ade as good things come in small packages.

You're right on the modern era MVs Ade...the link with MVs previous sublime racing history is " paint thin"

Modern Era Triumphs, Indian Motocycle...same thing.

On your purchase/non purchase F3..well that is up to you..your money. It's a free world.

I'd like a B3 in time...a used one ; )

joe
 
#129 ·
castle, im surely blessed. blessed with the ability to overlook a motorcycle test that was done in near freezing weather. also the ability to laugh at some of the comments posted that lead me to believe the faith in MV has been lost so easily. all, and i mean ALL the comments are coming from people who havent even recieved there bike yet. stevie B has recieved his oro and absolutely loves it as noted in his thread. just cracks me up how quickly one can be so disapointed in something they havent had the chance to judge for themselves.
 
#132 ·
Ade,

If you got on an F3 and took it up the mountain road..I'd be fascinated to hear your appraisal...

"It didn't go very well on the car park" and "I panicked and hit the brakes "didn't do it for me.

I know that you have motorcyling in your veins and I'd really love to hear your opinion as I'd believe it.

joe
 
#133 ·
Ade,

If you got on an F3 and took it up the mountain road..I'd be fascinated to hear your appraisal...

And don't you KNOW he is going to do his best to accommodate your request......even without your requesting it..:f4:

Ade, doesn't some one on IOM have one on order???
 
#146 ·
lets not bicker fellas.. : )

I just think the report isn't balanced...

Mike I have never had a prob with ebs...and without over doing this aspect of his report..he must have read before riding the bike that it had low inertia a bit like a two stroke and an ebs system so as a responsible rider he shouldn't have got him self up the jaxie of the car in front..imho ...until he had got a handle on the bikes characteristics he would have been better off staying on the car park lol

Putting it in a nutshell I think he was a passenger and not the rider lol ie the bike was a bit ahead of him.

joe

ps I am going to go into the garden tonight and have a ritual burning of MCN ha ha
 
#147 ·
you have to admit the comments on the fueling of the mv's at least the 2010 and up, we can all agree that the bikes down low are not the best, the japanese bikes all have better fueling it seems in the lower revs.

in the grand scheme of things does that make the bike "bad" maybe not, but when you are comparing bikes that basically are the same on 9 out of 10 things (meaning for the most part the bikes are somewhat equal on most things in reality), little sticklers like the fueling is bad at parking lot speed or the mirrors are useless, or the footpegs are slippery, are not making the bike crap but when another bike does these thing well at the same price you mention it.
 
#148 ·
I agree with you Jonny...If I was in the market for a '600' (I'm not) without hesitation I'd want (and go for) the F3. I have no rose coloured glasses but like anything else I buy, watch, listen to, read, visit, etc I have the ability to 'make my own decisions' regardless of anybody else's 'reviews' or (opinions).
Obviously everybody has their own reasons for 'choosing' what bike, holiday, film etc they 'go for' and if you listened to others who said....'what did you wanna buy that for'....'that new Bond film isn't getting great reviews'...bla..bla. then you'd spend your life listening to what everybody has to say first.
How many times have you read a book that got 'great reviews' that you thought was rubbish?..or watched a film that got terrible reviews...but you thoroughly enjoyed??.
MCN used to say the Brutale 1078 rr (which I have) was great..fuelling was vastly improved over the previous models ..then after a while, somehow their 'opinion' changed and it was just as bad as all the rest.
It really is hard to quantify why people buy what they buy...if your bike is just as,.. a form of transport, or a status symbol, or it has to be the fastest, or it has to be the most exclusive, or a true classic, etc.
For me I buy a bike because of how it makes ME feel, stirs My emotions...in other words I buy with My heart. If I wanted the most reliable...it'd probably be a Honda (I have one), The fastest...take your choice!..
When all is said an done...this is an MV Agusta forum and as such my only 'surprise' is that I sometimes feel I almost have to 'defend' the marque here and I find that a little bit sad ...I mean if we can't get enthusiastic about a brand new MV here...then where??
I love my bike...couldn't be happier, I'll concede there are 'easier' bikes to ride...(got one of them too) but no other bike I have/had gets my soul like this one in over 30+ years of riding.....hope it's OK to say that here?
Brian
 
#149 ·
I agree with you Jonny...If I was in the market for a '600' (I'm not) without hesitation I'd want (and go for) the F3. I have no rose coloured glasses but like anything else I buy, watch, listen to, read, visit, etc I have the ability to 'make my own decisions' regardless of anybody else's 'reviews' or (opinions).
Obviously everybody has their own reasons for 'choosing' what bike, holiday, film etc they 'go for' and if you listened to others who said....'what did you wanna buy that for'....'that new Bond film isn't getting great reviews'...bla..bla. then you'd spend your life listening to what everybody has to say first.
How many times have you read a book that got 'great reviews' that you thought was rubbish?..or watched a film that got terrible reviews...but you thoroughly enjoyed??.
MCN used to say the Brutale 1078 rr (which I have) was great..fuelling was vastly improved over the previous models ..then after a while, somehow their 'opinion' changed and it was just as bad as all the rest.
It really is hard to quantify why people buy what they buy...if your bike is just as,.. a form of transport, or a status symbol, or it has to be the fastest, or it has to be the most exclusive, or a true classic, etc.
For me I buy a bike because of how it makes ME feel, stirs My emotions...in other words I buy with My heart. If I wanted the most reliable...it'd probably be a Honda (I have one), The fastest...take your choice!..
When all is said an done...this is an MV Agusta forum and as such my only 'surprise' is that I sometimes feel I almost have to 'defend' the marque here and I find that a little bit sad ...I mean if we can't get enthusiastic about a brand new MV here...then where??
I love my bike...couldn't be happier, I'll concede there are 'easier' bikes to ride...(got one of them too) but no other bike I have/had gets my soul like this one in over 30+ years of riding.....hope it's OK to say that here?
Brian

I'm with you on that one, Brian; I wouldn't swop my AGO for any other make of bike!

It's a shame though, after two years(or more!) in the making, that the F3 isn't a better road package, especially as there is a choice of modes- after all, this bike should be bringing in NEW customers to the marque.
 
#152 ·
mv have had a triumph as a direct comparison bike since they started the whole project!

there have even been pics leaked of the triumph out on the road with the mv in comparison tests.

what i cant get my head around is this.............

with all the development and testing over the last 2 years and the constant bravado from mv "that this will revolutioise the middleweight market" they cant even (on the surface so far) match, let alone beat the old triumph design!!

also dont forget the journalist(micheal neeves) and others all said that the best bike was ACTUALLY THE GSXR!!

so that blows the cock eyed conspiracy theories about the triumph doesnt it?

i really really wanted this mv to thrash everything out there because if it had i would be in the market for one!!

i will endeavour toget a test ride on the mv and i will be honest about the bike!!

if its good ill say but i will also say its bad if indeed it is!

ive had a 1000s and it ran like a bag of shite till chris at x bikes worked on it and even then it wasnt brilliant. but was much better than before.

now is any mv dealer out there willing to offer me a test ride?

im waiting!!..............................................................................................
 
#153 ·
btw , i sold the 1000s and got a rsv4. now that is a corking bike and makes the mv look very bad indeed!

except of course in looks!! lol

remember the rsv4 was a brand new bike too like the mv but unlike the mv got great reviews, but was always beaten by the beemer.

but i preferred the rsv4. after testing it against the beemer, ktm,mv agusta and ducati.
 
#156 · (Edited)
I'm very similar....sold my 1000s for a 1098R. This bike also makes the F4 1000s feel a bit sluggish, but it's still the best lookin' machine in the world and a great bike!!!

RSV4, BMW and now the Panigale all had glowing reports on launch. BMW changed the game, now it seems the 1199 will do the same. I wish MV could do this.
It shits me the F3 hasn't done the same in its category, because it's gorgeous to look at.
 
#154 ·
stop all the crap ok the MV F3 is a bit of a lemon but its a mark 1 full of faults and bugs
the original F 4 had them the 750 brute had them and the 910 had shit loads of them
all faults sorted now also lets be honest here farrari cars are not reliable not the fastest but by fuk every one wants one
cast your minds back did trumpy build a 675 put it on the rd and it was perfect nope it had shitloads of probs inc the finish same as the speed triple ...............i also remember the GSXR, CBR and even the R6..600,s had shitloads of probs one brand even had a fire problem but they are all good now all that is forgoten


so if you get an F3 or a B3 report all problems to MV and they should sort it ..............now makeing a new bike and testing it is a very hard thing to do no mater who you are
all they can make sure of is it starts stops wont blow up within the first week and the wheels stay on
 
#155 ·
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In the majority of cases, first line production models have issues.. A manufacturer can only test so much and eventually they can’t keep delaying the new model launch.

Even this new so called benchmark superbike Ducati 1199 will be riddled with issues (bet most of them revolving around fuelling ) until software updates are released to sort out the various issues.

I think in this case with MV is that .. “I'm playing all the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order” :stickpoke

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#158 ·
Far too early to write off the F3 guys - let's wait and see.

MCN dislike it, Alan Cathcart loves it. Jury's out, keep optimistic.

Personally it doesn't need to be a game-changer for me and I'll buy it just for the looks but I appreciate others will be using other deciding factors. We all hope it's going to be the goods, I don't see the justification behind negativity yet. None of us have ridden or lived with one yet.

Cheers
 
#159 ·
+10 Rents

Far too early to write off the F3 guys - let's wait and see.

MCN dislike it, Alan Cathcart loves it. Jury's out, keep optimistic.

Personally it doesn't need to be a game-changer for me and I'll buy it just for the looks but I appreciate others will be using other deciding factors. We all hope it's going to be the goods, I don't see the justification behind negativity yet. None of us have ridden or lived with one yet.

Cheers
I feel the same. There's new guys on the MV forum at the moment who has never owned a MV, and knocking it.
So what if your RSVR make's a 1000s look poor, it's a 5-6 years later model, what did you expect.
Ask yourself what you are looking for, or move on and get something else if you want.

I have never heard such a bunch of old woman going on and on and on and on.....about something they really know nothing about.
 
#176 ·
Hey, I think the RSV4 is bloody nice looking, btw, and no, I will not take one for a ride, my family can not afford another financial drain.

I do think the 1000RR dropped the ball, but I will keep my comment's down there as I have not ridden one either, or seen one for that matter.
I think the F3 will go a long way, if the Triumph could make it, this little beast will for sure. I remember some of the early Triumph test's, it was a joke.

Just give it a change is all I say, just too much bloody moaning going on compared to the amount of riding.
You dont want it to it too much like the Triumph Donsy !!

An edgy and track focused attitude with looks of an angel will do it's reputation no harm...this fueling talk will a little though, initially.

The F4's never got rave reviews on the road either, but they were always up there when the road was perfect or the track was calling....hell, the 312 won Masterbike in 2007 after 8 years of development.

I'd lay bets the F3 will be quicker than the Truimph at Marterbike 2012 :) It's credibility will grow over time I'm sure
 
#181 ·
You dont want it to it too much like the Triumph Donsy !!

An edgy and track focused attitude with looks of an angel will do it's reputation no harm...this fueling talk will a little though, initially.

The F4's never got rave reviews on the road either, but they were always up there when the road was perfect or the track was calling....hell, the 312 won Masterbike in 2007 after 8 years of development.

I'd lay bets the F3 will be quicker than the Truimph at Marterbike 2012 :) It's credibility will grow over time I'm sure
I agree Pete.
 
#163 ·
Why would anyone be so persuaded by the review of a few testers as to possibly not purchase a bike? Has anyone on this forum even ridden an F3 yet? When that happens, those are the reviews I want to read. Magazines (MCN included) are informative in a very limited fashion...that is all. At the end of the day, it is my dollars that are buying a bike, not the MCN editor. RIde it for yourself. I would be more interested to hear reports written by folks like Donsy, CAG and a few more on this forum. Seems there advice, criticisms and opinions are very well grounded.

I am new to MVs but not to bikes. My first MV is my Brutale Cannonball, which, according to the "magazine testers" had unsorted suspension. Then why do I find myself smoking R1s, CBR1000s etc in and out of turns etc?...and I am not an experienced track guy. Seems sorted to me. But hey, I also ride rigid tail choppers so my opinion is probably sheite also!

Bottom line? Your money, your bike, your decision. Don't be a sheep...bbbbaaaaahhh (hope there are no sheperds on the forum who will take offense)
 
#164 ·
I have today bought the MCN with the 675 test & Im shocked.

To start with opening lines like- I CAN NOT BELIEVE MV ALLOWED THIS BIKE OUT OF THE FACTORY WITH THIS FUELLING. IT IS NOT FINISHED!

THE BIKE WE HAD I THOUGHT WAS FAULTY, BUT NEEVSEY SAID THEY WERE ALL THE SAME AT THE LAUNCH.

THE BIKE IS BETTER WITH ALL THE ELECTRONICS TURNED OFF.

I have read the test report several times over & I get the feeling MCN were ready to praise the bike but felt let down by the terrible electrics & fuelling. It seems to excell on a smooth road at the higher end of the rev scale & they loved that.

The bike also makes the most power but lacks torque for this gain, but also loses out in acceleration & top speed compared to the others due to the poor fuelling & electrics.:banghead:

I am sorry to say I might be giving this one a wide berth as I really DO NOT WANT TO SPEND £2K TRYING TO MAKE MY NEW BIKE NICE TO RIDE!!

A 2nd hand one with the mods done sounds like the best bet.:smoking:
 
#165 ·
That's how if felt after I had read it, I felt totally let down and dissapointed. almost embarrased.

I know many have said we shouldn't react this way, but they haven't read it, it is a shocker, you take very little positiveness away from it. I nearly threw up in the paper and burned the viscous rag in the chimnea last night, kind of ritual like lol.

Do you know what it upset me about it, yes yes yes they aren't the final word BUT I thought the first thing people will think when they see me pull up on the bike at a meet is wow that looks stunning, shame they are shit to ride. A lot of people read that paper, they have created a very negaitve view
of a very beautiful bike that many of us love very much, even before we have taken delivery.

the feelings wear off after you look at the bike a few more times. Lets hope they are wrong or if not MV fix it

I am determined to still go ahead, my only issue now is the continued waiting despite being one of the
earliest to place an order.

Looks like I will miss the easter holiday too! One things for sure I will be asking my dealer for either
some freebies or some money off!
 
#167 ·
You might still get a cracking bike due to the fact MV are trying to sort the fuelling issues for the next batch due to the comments from MCN. So the test may well yet prove positive.

What gets me is that MV have released the bike KNOWING it has issues which they think can be sorted later! Lets hope they do.

MCN should have been given a fully sorted & fettled bike to test & not a jerky chicken.[Suzuki did it with the RG500 in 85, when the test bikes were fettled & sorted.]

Im still keen on a 675, but I will wait a year & see what happens first.

The problem for MV is that some like me will now be possibly hunting for a sorted 2nd hand machine in 12months time & not buying a new bike from them, which would increase their profits & sales. [Not good.]
 
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